Opinions needed! Catherston Dazzler, Dutch Gold, etc....

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I would love to hear your stories and opinions on the following stallions. I have several mares, and am interested in these guys... Any traits they particularly throw? What kinds of mares do they cross best with? Any comments on them? A few of these really lack much information online. My goal is to breed future upper level eventing horses, to keep and campaign. And of course, if you have anything really negative or private to say, feel free to PM me instead. Thanks for all your input---I am so excited at the possibilities!

McGuigan
Dutch Gold
Fleetwater Opposition
Catherston Dazzler


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Of those I would say your best bet for breeding top level horses would be Fleetwater Opposition or C. Dazzler. FO himself McGuigan has not yet proven himself as a sire.

Am I correct in assuming you are based in America? Just that I noticed you also posted this on COTH recently....If so, then I would say also have a look at whether there is still frozen semen available to Miners Lamp, who has never been used to the extent he should have but who has nevertheless been sire of Tina Cook's great hose Miners Frolc as well as 4 star horse Davy. Out there you also have available to you Weston Justice, who was an advaned eventer himself and I feel is not used as much as he should be as his compeition record speaks for itself.

What kind of mares are you looking to put to them? It may help think of other ideas.
 
McGuigan- absolutely lovely little horse , full of spark but his breeding is unknown/unsuccessfull and also a unknown damline. Hence that could be the reason why none of his stock are /haven't been out competing or do not seem to have any success, but then I could be wrong there...

Dutch Gold-seen many of his stock in this area as he stood here locally. Thrawted by soundeness and temperment problems. But seems to throw stunning and talented horses with the odd one that is successfull.. Not an amateurs ride.

Fleetwater Opp- again he stood locally here. Incredibly talented, sound and tough offspring, there are many of them out competing successfully season after season .But never cross him with a hot or difficult mare (by pain of death!!) Has to be put to a very calm and laid back mare, that wants to be on your side when being ridden. Mare also has to have strong conformation especially a good backend and hindquarter, as FO can produce horses with weak conformation especially in the hindquarters.

Dazzler-produces a reasonable number of talented horses, a lot of whom have a difficult and sharp temperment.Passes on great conformation and I love his stock.
 
For upper level eventing I'd only consider FO or dazzler, they are both very proven sires. Similar in a way that they throw talented but quirky offspring that need to be produced by someone who knows what they are doing.
 
Agree with OB on Dutch Gold.

My YM is daughter to Jennie LC (who owns Catherston Stud), we've got a few of theres at our yard. I am currently riding YMs Dutch Gold gelding. Hes 12 now, but as a 4yr old they had problems with him (breaking in as he was a nutter!), he was turned away for a year and started again. Hes absolutly gorgeous to ride and the sweetest horse in the world to handle, i adore him
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However he has intermittent lameness problems and is always having physio. Hes not an amateurs ride, although he never does anything nasty (worst hes done with me is spook) you couldnt stick a novice on him, hes very sharp and loves work and attention!
 
See my DG boy isn't a mugs ride but is an amateurs horse - I mean he put up with me riding him
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Best horse I have ever had in terms of suitability of temprement/talent for an allround amateur competiton horse.

However ditto the soundness
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Mcguigan - will not have huge amounts of progeny now as dead and I am not sure how much frozen there is. He had a fab attitude though and looked very trainable.

Jumbo is not on your list? Produces awesome horses from all types of mares. Still avaliable frozen.

One you should consider is Chilli Morning? Young stallion but producing the goods at 3* and will easily go 4*. A few on the ground but not many about 2yo. He would have to be worth a punt.

Mill Law - stock seems to be producing the goods.

I would not have a Catherston horse - I know a homebred who is quirky despite having a fab life and upbringing and has navicular age 7.
 
We have a catherston decipher youngster who is the nicest horse I've ever come across, with bags of presence to go with it, stunning movement and temperament to match!
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I have a gelding by Dutch Gold and he is fantastic, he is 17 now, never had any lameness problems, was quirky as a 4yr old but would not change him for the world, just been to see a couple of Catherston youngsters and think they have to be some of the best behaved young horses I have seen in a long time.
 
seabiscuit said:
McGuigan- absolutely lovely little horse , full of spark but his breeding is unknown/unsuccessfull and also a unknown damline. Hence that could be the reason why none of his stock are /haven't been out competing or do not seem to have any success, but then I could be wrong there...


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Not quiet true McGuigan was by Furisto ex of ISH Paulville's Last who was by TB Crespino ex of ISH Paulville Girl by King of the Jungle bred by Noel Walsh. McGuian also has a 1/2 brother (Iron Brew) by Cruising eventing (Ridden by Miss Cordelia Croft) who has 198 pts, & a 1/2 sister by Crusing show jumping (31 SJAI pts).

A stallions offspring are only as good as the people producing them, which means a lot of talented animals can slip through.
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British Eventing does some very helpful spreadsheets on how many points eventing stallions and their offspring have won. The names at the top of the lists are not quite the same as those talked about the most on the bulletin boards. The only piece of information missing from the spreadsheets is how many foals each stallion has had. If we knew that we could work out which one has the best hit rate which is a far more helpful statistic for breeders than the bald numbers. Still what British eventing gives us is a lot better than British Dressage which don't even publish the breeding of the horses taking part in the Young Horse classes!!!

http://www.britisheventing.com/page.asp?section=261&itemTitle=Breeding+to+event
 
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