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Seen this Gelderlander gelding. (9 years old)

Do you think he would come right with time?

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Hmm I'd be cautious to why he looks like that. Bad conformation aside for how he's looking...I find it odd he's shod up to date from the photo.

I'd be too worried about indefinite chiro costs or any problems going on underneathe.

Without knowing more about him really...I don't think you could honestly say.
 
Why does he look so terrible condition wise? His feet also need work to help him get any kind of proper posture, the way his back end is especially right now will be putting a lot of stress on his body.
 
What a sorry sight. No doubt you could improve his overall condition with a bit of TLC but I suspect he'll always look like a bit of a 'cut n shut'.
 
Oh my! Is he registered Gelderlander? Or have the owners just given him that breed title in order to make him more appealing to others who won't check to make sure he is in fact the breed stated?

Yes his weight will come right in time but he's really not well put together and a lot of that you may not be able to change.
 
Are you sure there is not a 1 in front of the 9 ! he looks older than 9.

Even if he patched up, his conformation will trouble him and I think his ride would resemble a bike with square wheels.

What a shame, he still has his presence and a look of pride about him. It would be fulfilling to mend him but deep pockets will be needed.
 
Awwww I must be getting a bit soft in my old age but that ad tugged on the old heart strings a bit.
It sounded like it was written by somebody who really lived this boy & wants the best for him. He sounds lovely & I would look past his dodgy conformation & slight fugliness, if he's as described he could become a lovely horse.

I am getting far too soft!
 
She has jumped that poor boy recently? A saddle on his poor bony back? Poor poor horse, I would be checking the entries at Solihull too as I am not inclined to believe her. I can't see him even making it around a course in that condition, and as for the £1500 price tag, sorry but he isn't worth anything like that. Not his fault and I feel very sorry for him. he would seem to me more a horse bought from the sales for nothing and now she wants to make a profit. poor guy needs some help and some good food.
 
The advert actually says..........

Tricky horse, changed hands a lot, now in the hands of a clueless owner who either cannot afford to feed him, won't feed him because if he is well he is a sharp ride, or simply thinks that he is in good nick and carries on regardless.

My guess is he has scared current owner witless and is heading for yet another home.

£200 tops and be prepared for a lot of problems.
 
AdorableAlice said:
The advert actually says..........

Tricky horse, changed hands a lot, now in the hands of a clueless owner who either cannot afford to feed him, won't feed him because if he is well he is a sharp ride, or simply thinks that he is in good nick and carries on regardless.

My guess is he has scared current owner witless and is heading for yet another home.

£200 tops and be prepared for a lot of problems.
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That's exactly what crossed my mind too AA.
 
He does look older than 9 imo, in fact an old friend of mine used to have an old gelderlander who was in his late teens but had had a very very hard life as a youngster and apart from being chestnut, he was a spitting image of this chap in shape/ how he stood etc. I cant remember what it is called but the chap I knew was on the verge of getting the condition where the fetlocks drop right down so they eventually touch the floor.
He is a lovely proud looking boy and I hope he finds love and caring.
 
AdorableAlice said:
The advert actually says..........

Tricky horse, changed hands a lot, now in the hands of a clueless owner who either cannot afford to feed him, won't feed him because if he is well he is a sharp ride, or simply thinks that he is in good nick and carries on regardless.

My guess is he has scared current owner witless and is heading for yet another home.

£200 tops and be prepared for a lot of problems.
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In agreement with this in many ways.

It could be that he is a lovely horse that is just one of the sad ones that gets passed from pillar to post and has ended up with a history of poor care...BUT, you will not end up with a very sellable or useable horse if you get this and I would say £1500 is ridiculous.

Poor poor horse. :-(
 
Might get shot for this - but Id say that rather than having awful conformation, he has very Gelderlander conformation. Flat croup, tubular barrel, and a strangely set on swan neck on a high wither. He's not a particularly attractive example of the breed, and his legs are pretty rotten looking, but I think it's important to look at him as a breed with very different characteristics to the classic riding horse shape. Gelderlanders always look to me like centaurs - the front end does look like it belongs to a different horse! They are driving horses, and are built to go in a different way.

They're also bloody uncomfortable bone shakers to ride!

Found this, which will hopefully demonstrate what I mean.

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Auslander said:
Might get shot for this - but Id say that rather than having awful conformation, he has very Gelderlander conformation. Flat croup, tubular barrel, and a strangely set on swan neck on a high wither. He's not a particularly attractive example of the breed, and his legs are pretty rotten looking, but I think it's important to look at him as a breed with very different characteristics to the classic riding horse shape. Gelderlanders always look to me like centaurs - the front end does look like it belongs to a different horse! They are driving horses, and are built to go in a different way.

They're also bloody uncomfortable bone shakers to ride!

Found this, which will hopefully demonstrate what I mean.

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I have to agree with that! As a "Gelderlander" he's roughly what I'd expect to see. Of course he may have no Gelderlander in him at all and just be put together like one!

Poor chap, I feel sorry for him, but not £1500 sorry!
 
Bless him. I think with time he would be fine. Get his weight and hooves sorted to start with. Lots of in hand work and long and low , working correctly. I know gelderlanders have a high neck set but if he is sharp/spooky then I imagine he would just fire his head up which would make it difficult/ scary for anyone.
 
If I was going to pick a fugly horse to take a chance on, stuff full of food and see what happened, I'd take a punt on him. Not at £1500, though; knock a zero off :D

Sweet looking horse - looks like he has a bit of personality, which you don't see very often in ads for such downtrodden horses.
 
I just wrote a long reply and then lost it, d'oh :rolleyes:

The gist of it was he looks a lot like my boy would look if he was that underweight. Mine is a Dutch harness horse (registered KWPN, but all Gelderlander lines). He is "interesting" confo wise. Beautiful natural high head carriage - I am so used to this now that sitting on anything else seems like riding a peanut-roller western pleasure-type ;) Strong front end and shoulder, no bum to speak of (but trying to improve that), legs best not mentioned and feet huge and terrible, but finally have them sound and operational, if not pretty to look at.

He is a surprisingly comfy ride for a driving horse, you just need to get used to the bounce. If I sit on anything else now, I feel like I'm not moving. We only ever did a bit of video dressage, but his "powerful, rhythmical trot" always got us good marks. Surprisingly nice canter when he wants to, as well. In his youth, he was a grade C SJer (shows his age). He is a bit of an ugly duckling stood still, but I think he has a huge amount of presence on the move. I wish I could buy that poor boy, I really do.

Some pics for comparison:

Fat and happy

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But he can move when he wants:

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I think the comment 3/4's of the way down the advert is a hint of what you may be buying into.

Previous owner taught him to rear. My interpretation of that is -

Reserve me a place in A&E.

I am sorry guys and even more sorry for the horse, but the advert stinks, the horse is a dodge pot and has been on a downward spiral for a long time and through many hands. Poor boy.
 
holeymoley said:
Bless him. I think with time he would be fine. Get his weight and hooves sorted to start with. Lots of in hand work and long and low , working correctly. I know gelderlanders have a high neck set but if he is sharp/spooky then I imagine he would just fire his head up which would make it difficult/ scary for anyone.
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Thing is - they really can't work long and low - you have to work with what nature gave them. Crossed with a warmblood or TB however, you can get a lovely dressage horse, which takes on the good stuff - presence, power, natural forwardness, whilst addressing the conformational issues that make them great carriage horses, and pretty poor riding horses.
 
Dee O'Dorant said:
I have to agree with that! As a "Gelderlander" he's roughly what I'd expect to see. Of course he may have no Gelderlander in him at all and just be put together like one!
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That's why I'd want to see papers on him. Some of his traits look Gelderlander for sure, but maybe I've just seen a lot more quality Gelderlanders, because this chappie has pretty dire conformation and could easily be a mix and match type of a horse.
 
Lol @Auslander, I missed your post while fiddling about trying to get mine to submit!

Agree with almost everything you say, but I really don't find mine a bone shaker to ride, must have just got used to it! Sitting trot on anything else is a breeze, I'll admit ;)

My RI got on a few weeks ago having not had a sit on him for years - it was quite funny listening to her explain things as she circled round me in sitting trot :D
 
Ah thanks TC. I re-read several times and still didn't see that :D

The whole advert is a bit odd to be honest. They'd have done themselves a favour not saying jumping etc but selling in projects saying that handling and hacking has been done and he was a driving horse who has been backed but needs work put in. Also a video if his movement is as amazing as stated.

Always find it strange not to have a horse photographed while being ridden... Just a head shot with bridle :/
 
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