Overo welsh sec D - Is it possible?
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WelshRuby
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Doesn't look like a Welshie but he is stunning
xRobyn
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If that's a purebred I'll eat my hat 
There is an american stud that has managed to breed true tobiano/overo welsh section A's. I would have assumed extreme sabino without seeing the photo but looks like the colouring is right to me. I don't trust the breed though. Would be interested to know sire/dam and whether he is registered or not.
There is an american stud that has managed to breed true tobiano/overo welsh section A's. I would have assumed extreme sabino without seeing the photo but looks like the colouring is right to me. I don't trust the breed though. Would be interested to know sire/dam and whether he is registered or not.
miss_c
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I agree, would be EXTREMELY surprised to find that he was a purebred, and the WPCS would refuse to register him based on his markings.
immybrookstud
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colour is possable with the sabino gene, which is im lots of welshies usually causing the 4 whites and blaze. he wouldnt be reg in the main stud book, but would be registered through the X register, so would have his full breeding in his passport.
Eluana
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He is definitely splash, probably has sabino too, but I wouldn't say he has overo.
If he does have overo, and overo can 'hide', he is not purebred.
Purebred welshes can/do have splash.
Horses can have splash and show no outwards sign, have blue eyes and no white, or as extensive and more white as OP horse.
http://www.horse-genetics.com/splashed-white.html
If he does have overo, and overo can 'hide', he is not purebred.
Purebred welshes can/do have splash.
Horses can have splash and show no outwards sign, have blue eyes and no white, or as extensive and more white as OP horse.
http://www.horse-genetics.com/splashed-white.html
Kao
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Going by what some of the Section D's look like now...wouldn't surprise me if it was a pure-bred
But, not worth a dime in this country if it isn't registered, which it wont be.
The Americans can register whatever they want, coloured or un-coloured.
Considering I got told I know nothing for saying "It's not a Section B if it's 14.2hh" who knows...
But, not worth a dime in this country if it isn't registered, which it wont be.
The Americans can register whatever they want, coloured or un-coloured.
Considering I got told I know nothing for saying "It's not a Section B if it's 14.2hh" who knows...
Enfys
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As shown by the ridiculous prices for Gypsy Vanner Cobs in North America
Paints with that patterning aren't exactly rare, here he'd be nothing special, just another Paint.
In the UK he's 'different' because the splash patterning isn't as usual as tobiano, no other reason. One to buy/loan on merit alone regardless of the white.
Kao
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As shown by the ridiculous prices for Gypsy Vanner Cobs in North America
Paints with that patterning aren't exactly rare, here he'd be nothing special, just another Paint.
In the UK he's 'different' because the splash patterning isn't as usual as tobiano, no other reason. One to buy/loan on merit alone regardless of the white.
Exactly
Strange thing is, if my boy still has his assets, feathers and a decent mane. Exporting him to the North, paying for boarding and flying out there myself, I'd probably till turn a profit.
Only the same as "rare" breeds anywhere else though, continental rarities are a bomb here.
I found it strange that they said Overo in Paints was rare too
As far as I knew Overo and Tobiano are the most common in Paints
Enfys
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That is how I understand it tooExactly
Strange thing is, if my boy still has his assets, feathers and a decent mane. Exporting him to the North, paying for boarding and flying out there myself, I'd probably till turn a profit.You probably would
Only the same as "rare" breeds anywhere else though, continental rarities are a bomb here.Absolutely
I found it strange that they said Overo in Paints was rare too
As far as I knew Overo and Tobiano are the most common in Paints
, all Paints are either tobiano, overo or tovero, just with a host of different pattern variationshttp://www.apha.com/breed/index.html
I have had another good look at his photos and he certainly has the typical overo markings, particularly that bald white face, pink skin and I would expect him to have blue eys also. His head looks very similar in shape (and markings) to my APHA, who is absolutely typical for her breeding, although she is frame not splash.
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s4sugar
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That Welsh is a splash pattern - which tends to get lumped in overo as does any coloured that isn't tobiano here. Less common than sabino or frame in Paints but not exactly rare.
It isn't that rare - there is one in the next field to my horses and I've seen several advertised and I know a couple more with slightly less white.
They can't be registered as section Ds - they go into section x which is ineligible for shows.
The one that sold to Sweden was an outstanding quality horse and may have been the same price if just chestnut. I saw photos of it doing dressage.
It isn't that rare - there is one in the next field to my horses and I've seen several advertised and I know a couple more with slightly less white.
They can't be registered as section Ds - they go into section x which is ineligible for shows.
The one that sold to Sweden was an outstanding quality horse and may have been the same price if just chestnut. I saw photos of it doing dressage.
Ilovefoals
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Thanks for all your answers guys! I know nothing about Welshies and always thought they only came in solid colours. x
xRobyn
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Technically they do. Tobaino/Overo (Piebald/Skewbald) is not allowed, however the Welshies are one of the few (only?) native breeds that are allowed lots of white. The sabino gene heavily influences a lot of welsh cobs and sometimes you will get extreme markings. The WPCS has decided to exclude certain markings despite the fact the horse is only displaying a more 'increased' amount of sabino (an allowed gene).
Some sabino Welsh Cobs
http://www.welshwelshcobs.com/sabino.cfm
WPCS 'allowed' markings
http://www.wpcs.uk.com/society/whitemarkings.html
As you can see from the second link, anything above the flank/stifle is not allowed and the pony will be registered as section X. Many owners whose horses have extensive sabino markings that would not be allowed simply leave the sire off of the pedigree and register them as PBW as there are more classes etc.
wee shazzi
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hi to you all,, i have just came across this post and its all very intresting what you all have to say about the splash white welsh cob, yeh it is possible and i know 100% as i have one and there not common hes only number 47 ever reg since the wpcs starting reg section X , i have only ever found another 2 like mine and all the other splash whites are section A, my horse is 4yrs old and has the most outstanding welsh 5 gen pedigree and he has been the only one like this out 40 foals from same sire. hes been DNA tested so theres no doubt he is what he is,, and its quite madding he cant be shown off unless hes in chaps classes , he cant even be shown in wpb classes because hes section X, again quite madning as hes 100% pure welsh cob its not his fault he turned out this colour , yeh there is rules for showing and yes he is over coloured but would it not be my choice if i entered him in a class and he came last atleast we would have had the chance to do it , i dont know how many posts and boards i have been on stating facts and there is quite alot of ppl that see it my way, but rules are rules and to show him or not hes still my boy and a very handsome one and thats good enough for me and its a privledge just to own him anyone wishing a picture can add me on facebook its sharmaine cook.
anyone wishing a picture can add me on facebook its sharmaine cook.LouS
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I'm glad you bumped this up, going from the photos on that page mine is sabino but it only shows on his head, how interesting!
georgie0
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ahhhh, old thread. I wonder if that would be the reason i can't see the pics lol!
wee shazzi
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how do you upload pics on hear and i can show my splash to you all, im new on hear lol
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LouS
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wow, I actually love him! Very impressive.
Where did you get him from if you don't mind me asking? Was he bred at a stud?
Where did you get him from if you don't mind me asking? Was he bred at a stud?
wee shazzi
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wee shazzi
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he was bred in lancashire i brought him to glasgow at 13 months old, the man that owns the stallion is the owner of the LLanderfell stud ,, and it was a friend of his that owned the mare that produced dieago,, they have never ever had another, my boys sire is ffoslas prince of wales by degla flying express dam cwmtwnant miri by ffoslas welsh pilot
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It's getting more and more common to have the excessive white markings in the Welsh and personally I think it is hideous but then I am no fan of socks and blazes let alone anything else. There is a pure bred Sec D that came out properly multi-coloured and he has done amazingly well in CHAPS classes, including qualifying for HOYS in the coloured section. Eywas Magpie.
wee shazzi
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i have seen alot of over coloured welsh cobs but only a few splashes, the one u have said about there in your post will just looked coloured if its evenly marked, my boy is a spalsh white its a colour pattern, dont suppose u have any pics of the one u have just said about on ur post, as u said ur not a fan of the white colour on horses everyone has there own taste, my boy is like marmite you either love him or hate him. the thread on hear was about the colour pattern and can it be true and yes it is true i have one.
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wee shazzi
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thank you