Palomino with dark marking on shoulder

[FabioandFreddy]

Not really sure which section to put this in? Think breeding is the closest!

I have a Palomino gelding with a really dark marking that runs down one shoulder and leg. He has no other markings. I've been looking online just out of interest really to try and find other pally's that have it and have found none! I can find ones with odd spots of dark but nothing like this. Just wondered if anyone knew a bit more about the colouring, if it has a name (like duns having primitive markings) and does anyone else have an unusually marked Palomino to prove he isn't a one off!!

 

[Aidey]

Sorry cant help but just have to say what a snazzy bridle in the second pic, ive never seen a noseband like that before, its lovely

Also stunning boy, those colours dont half suit him dont they

 

[FabioandFreddy]

Thanks Aidey! He is rather a handsome chap!

They sell the bridles on ebay, can't remember the saddlery name but they come up if you type in 'croc bridle'!

 

[Enfys]

I would suspect that your boy is displaying some sooty colouring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palomino

[The presence of the sooty gene may result in a palomino having darker hairs in the mane, tail and coat. ]

Photo taken from here: http://www.ultimatehorsesite.com/colors/palomino.html

 

[Sandylou]

No help either I'm afraid but your boy is gorgeous!!! I miss my old pally, rest his soul x

 

[Aidey]

Enfys would you say my mare had sooty aswel? She goes rather dark on her back end.

FabioandMiro - sorry for invading your thread!

 

[Enfys]

Aidey, Hi,

Your girl looks similar in shading to that stock photo, very pretty, and I love her dapples. Yes I would say she was, I'm no colour expert though, just have a bit of a thing about Paints and Palominos because I seem to have a lot of those in my paddocks.

There is such a huge variety of shades of palomino now, when I was a kid they were yellow with white manes and tails and that was that! I have one that looks like a palomino, is registered as a palomino, but is, in fact, a dunalino.

The one on the left is a palomino, the one on the right is a dunalino.

 

[Laura1812]

I thought they were called smut marks - can get the same in chestnuts - no idea on the colour genetics though

 

[whisp&willow]

Enfys: whats the difference between them???!!!!

fabioandmiro: all i have to offer is- what a stunning horse you have!

Aidey: beautiful mare also!

love palominos. xx

 

[Meowy Catkin]

The dunalino has darker legs, also I'm sure that in other photos that I've seen of him, he also has a dorsal stripe.

 

[Enfys]

Palomino v dunalino. Zeus is just your bog standard yellow. As Faracat says, Juno has a dorsal stripe and leg barring.

 

[hobo]

LOL I have just found out what colour the horse I bred in 1981 was thanks enfys he was a dunalino. I took him to a show as a baby and the judge said what colour is that and I never knew!

 

[Meowy Catkin]

What a beautiful metallic sheen Zeus has!

 

[friskimagic]

M pally has loads dark patches and shading all over and she is a sooty pally

 

[cruiseline]

I think the colour running down your horses shoulder and leg are what is described as blood marks. The dilute gene has made them slightly lighter than you would normally see on a none dilute horse, but because of their location and appearance, I think that is what they are.

 

[angrovestud]

Thats what I was thinkng Criuiseline, but didnt like to say as I dont dont know a lot about sooty so didnt comment but pleased you have said you think its sooty

 

[Meowy Catkin]

I had thought (happy to be corrected if I'm totally wrong ) that blood marks related to greys only.

 

[cruiseline]

Thats what I was thinkng Criuiseline, but didnt like to say as I dont dont know a lot about sooty so didnt comment but pleased you have said you think its sooty

I am sure you meant to put a 'don't' in that last sentence

The reason I don't think it is sooty is because it is not an equal distribution of sootiness. My stallion goes sootier around his neck and shoulders in the winter, but it is even on both sides. As this horse's mark is only down one shoulder and one foreleg, realistically it has to be some kind of blood mark.

 

[cruiseline]

I had thought (happy to be corrected if I'm totally wrong ) that blood marks related to greys only.

You can get blood markings on none greys too, but it is on the greys that you can see it more prominently as their base colour fades, the blood mark sounds out more.

 

[TarrSteps]

I don't think the "bloody shoulder" is specifically related to greys (and coloured horses), more that it's only visible on horses with a light body colour. You occaisionaly see chestnuts and light bays with darker markings but they're usually just a variation on the base coat so not very noticable.

 

[Enfys]

I think the colour running down your horses shoulder and leg are what is described as blood marks. The dilute gene has made them slightly lighter than you would normally see on a none dilute horse, but because of their location and appearance, I think that is what they are.

Lynaire, is this one of your horses? Was this horse bay before he greyed out, just curious? It is a very eyecatching marking, and yes, I do think you (and others) are bang on with the bloody shoulder marking.

 

[Sportznight]

Lynaire, is this one of your horses? Was this horse bay before he greyed out, just curious? It is a very eyecatching marking, and yes, I do think you (and others) are bang on with the bloody shoulder marking.

I assume that the horse is an American bred TB, as the photograph was taken at Keeneland, Lexington, Kentucky, USA

 

[Enfys]

I assume that the horse is an American bred TB, as the photograph was taken at Keeneland, Lexington, Kentucky, USA

Ah, there we go then, thanks SN
Just for once I didn't bother to do the properties thing on the photo, which would have saved me asking the question.

 

[Sportznight]

Ah, there we go then, thanks SN
Just for once I didn't bother to do the properties thing on the photo, which would have saved me asking the question.

Would it? I didn't check, I just recognised it

 

[FabioandFreddy]

Thank you CL! That does look more like his marking and i'd never heard of that before! I was unconvinced he had sooty marks as just didn't appear the same as the horses pics i've seen with the sootyness in them.

Off to google blood marks on horses now!!!

 

[FabioandFreddy]

Ok, now unsure again!!! Have had a read on this: http://vichorse.com/forum/index.php...=7da6d6f6e6164dad489bc68121e0580b#msg_1833283
and it says that only greys can have a blood mark, any other colour then its just big Bend-Or spots?! But his marking definitely doesn't look like Bend-Or spots to me!!

 

[TarrSteps]

But that is just one person saying it can't be, with no genetic proof or even a second opinion. There is also someone on there saying only Arabs can have a "bloody shoulder" which is patently untrue.

The dangers of using the internet . . .

 

[angrovestud]

I am sure you meant to put a 'don't' in that last sentence

The reason I don't think it is sooty is because it is not an equal distribution of sootiness. My stallion goes sootier around his neck and shoulders in the winter, but it is even on both sides. As this horse's mark is only down one shoulder and one foreleg, realistically it has to be some kind of blood mark.

Thats sort of funny except I am so dyslexicly not sure what you have done and what it means but I am sure If I was not dyslexic I would understand,