Parelli is useless? Can you do this?

Very cute. I am, however, confused.

My horses load fine, in fact one of them did load herself (ISH show jumper, ex hunt masters horse, never seen a carrot stick in her life). They're not circus ponies so the fact that they load nicely is enough for me. I have no reason to make them gallop across a field into a trailer, fall backwards off the side of the ramp, or load them while I'm sat on the roof.

I'm failing to understand the "use" aspect of your comment.
 
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to answer the two questions in your thread title:
1.couldn't care less
2. probably yes, but why would I bother if I can LEAD all my horses into a transport mode of my choice?
 
Agree with he others, my horse walks into the box completely calmly and chilled on a loose leadrope no pressure from me. He also has never seen a carrot stick in all his life. I have no desire for him to gallop in or go in backwards - he walks backwards if i ask him to however and i believe him to be a very happy horse.

Surely horses just need a common sense approach with handling not ''parelli'' as such, i have found that horses respond perfectly well to kindness and patience.
 
Hi,

Ummm, yes. And I don't have my horse on the end of a rope either.

Sorry, but I have to say that cantering a horse into a trailer displays a great deal of common sense - not!

I can back my horses, unhaltered, as far as I like at a word That is as far as I could watch without grinding my teeth at the dreadful background music (my volume control is broken, otherwise I could have switched it off of course)
 
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My horses load very well, they walk up the ramp & are perfectly happy & under control. Why would you want a horse to back into a trailer that isn't designed to carry horses backwards? Also why do you want a horse to race into a trailer at break neck speed?

Quote " Can you do this".....No, I've never tried & can't really see the point of it.
 
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Self loading horses are not a new thing. Why would you put up with a horse that didn't. When there is one of you (don't tell the BHS) who would put the partitions across if your horse didn't load itself. This is not Parelli specific. This is something anyone can get their horses to do if they just spend time with them. Like the following around without a rope...does any horse not do this once you have a relationship?
Personally think Parelli states the obvious. Like the wiggily rope thing my friend taught her horse so to take the mick I taught mine to go backwards by putting up my hand with fingers down and saying shoo. Used to go back a step at a time. But I didn't pay for the state the obvious books, DVD's ect.
Before anyone says anything not against Parelli just think he does point out the obvious maybe I'm missing something.
 
Urm well ok. Lucy would have probably done it she did most of the parelli circus tricks with out me having actualy spent a single penny or done any parelli.
But right now i would like to load the horrid one normaly, be able to lunge him nicely and ride him without the risk of falling off.
Guess what home he came from oh how lovely it was a parelli home. I'm having to sort out all his behavoural problems caused by parelli. :mad: :mad:
I'll get there in the end and he'll be lovely just like Lucy was and i'll still won't have spent a single second doing parelli. :p :D
 
oddly enough - i actively dont want my very large elderly mare to enter a trailer at speed or backwards - we quite like the old school approach - i wander on - she follows me [ with or without a leadrope] - she shoves her face in a haynet - works for us:)
 
Ditto what others say - eh, yep, probably, if I could be bothered training them. Not that I see any point to doing that other than as a party trick.

Two of them load themselves. Literally. One of them is difficult to STOP loading if she's wanting to go somewhere - she broke out of her stable and ran up someone's lorry ramp a while ago:o

I don't think parelli is 'useless' and much of it works well for many people. But it's nothing new and any good horseman could easily teach their horse any of the parelli 'tricks' if they wanted to, without so much as a rope halter or carrot stick. Parelli (when done properly) is just a step-by-step guide to horse training for those who lack actual horse experience or training skills.
 
Another vote here for, "Why would I want to?" My horse loads fine, I can't imagine an occasion when i would need her to load backwards and I certainly don't want her cantering into a trailer.

This is one of those things I don't get - all the circus tricks. Why should my horse have to prove over and over that she will do as I ask no matter how silly? That seems insulting to my horse.
 
All mine load fine now. Not all of them did when I got them. I actually have to hold two of them back if we're facing the back of the lorry ready to go in and OH hasn't finished securing the partition after the previous one, as they are so keen to get on with it and go!

So would I need Parelli for loading? No.
Do I care whether people use Parelli or not? No.
 
I agree why do you want you horse to canter into a trailer? Cant be good for the horse or trailer surely walking in calmly is better? Maybe they do this for fun who knows what a load of wallop!!!!!!!
 
I'm going to ignore the why's and to what use posts, it is clear that the horses in the video are happy and well trained, but, as an occasional observer of Parrelli demos, I come up with the same phrase again and again 'trick pony'.

I am not trying to nock Parrelli, or any other system, as I am a firm believer in training horses sympathetically, call it NH, Parrelli or anything else. But every time I see one of these types of displays it just looks like the horse has been trained to perform that trick. It's pretty easy to do, all I have to do is say "let's see yer boots' to my gelding, and he will pick each of his feet up in turn, so that I can pick them out. I'm sure it would only take me a few sessions to train him to canter into a box or kick a football or any number of other things that would just show that I have spent a lot of time doing 'stuff' with my horse.

Perhaps that IS the point, but if I am gong to spend hours with my horse (which I am only too pleased to do), then I want to have more to show for it come then end, than some 'tricks'.

Is Parrelli just a way of spending hours working with horses, without the effort of actually riding them?
 
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Is Parrelli just a way of spending hours working with horses, without the effort of actually riding them?
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That for me is the main use for parelli ;)

If I was unable to ride my horse through injury, I most likely would teach him some tricks to amuse ourselves - but won't be paying lots of money to do it! :)
 
Think it could be quite dangerous, long ropes hanging around and going backwards up a ramp, could easily trip.

more circus tricks, shame they cant put a bridle on a headshy horse so nicely!
 
Hmmmm circus ponies, I have a very well mannered horse, he will follow me and load with no problems, although I feel we're obviously lacking panash, because we walk in safely!!!!! And he's never had a carrot stick or anything remotely similar wiggled in his face!!!
 
Now why would I want to do that, some of it looks like an accident waiting to happen tbh!

Incidentally, I have horses that will load without the aid of a lunge line or even a lead rope, and go up all by themselves. Sirena for instance backs up without the need for a wiggling rope thing, she will back up all round the school if I so wish, she also does spanish walk and passage by copying my actions, however, I tend to spend more time on her back than fiddling about on the ground.

Oh needless to say, not a carrot stick or any other kind of WHIP in sight.

And Parelli people wonder why they get a bashing on here:rolleyes:
 
As so many have already said, why would I want to? Although yes, Murph will load himself, in fact you have to be careful he doesn't try and canter up the lorry ramp, as I think that is dangerous imho.
 
Trailers have too many sharp edges too be playing around with. I have no problem with teaching horses all sorts of tricks for fun and entertainment and I don't see why teaching a horse to back up at liberty is any more or less of a trick than teaching a half-pass, but I would not play around such a potentially dangerous piece of metal as a trailer.
 
I watched the vid and it was really good and the lady has obviously spent a lot of time learning her horses how to do "tricks", I have no problem with any of the "other" training methods that people choose to use on their horses. I think what winds people up with parelli is the condesending way pat and linda and their followers imply that their way is the only way and unless you do parelli you are ignorant to your horses "real" needs.
And everytime a parelli follower comes across a horse that refuses to become their new "trick" horse it,s because they are either (right brained or left brained introvert or extrovert). They will never admit that they were wrong in their approach, and while I admit I have got it wrong sometimes with my horses and try new things to get it right with them a parelli follower will just keep plugging away untill the horse loses it like with "catwalk".
Just because I am not interested in making my horse walk backwards in a trailer does not make me any less of a horse person than a parelli follower, I just chose not to do it because I personally do not see the point of it.
I also do not think that the woman and her horses in the vid are any better or worse than me because she chooses to do that with her horses, parelli states to have tolerance with your horses it,s just a shame they do not have tolerance for people who choose not to follow the money making buisiness (sp) that parelli has sadly become.
 
I will admit I cant do that with my horse. :eek:

Mainly becuase I have a lorry not a trailer :p Oh and I like to spend most of my training time actually riding the boy. He walks in to lorry on the end of a loose rope. What more would I need him to do?
 
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