Pedigree Dogs Exposed

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Pedigree dogs are suffering from genetic diseases following years of inbreeding, an investigation has found.

A BBC documentary says they are suffering acute problems because looks are emphasised over health when breeding dogs for shows.

The programme shows spaniels with brains too big for their skulls and boxers suffering from epilepsy.

The Kennel Club says it works tirelessly to improve the health of pedigree dogs.

Pedigree animals make up 75% of the seven million dogs in the UK and cost their owners over £10m in vets' fees each week.

Poor health

The programme, Pedigree Dogs Exposed, says dogs suffering from genetic illness are not prevented from competing in dog shows and have gone on to win 'best in breed', despite their poor health.

It says physical traits required by the Kennel Club's breed standards, such as short faces, wrinkling, screw-tails and dwarfism, have inherent health problems.

Other problems occur because of exaggerations bred into dogs by breeders trying to win rosettes, it adds.

The programme shows a prize-winning cavalier King Charles spaniel suffering from syringomyelia, a condition which occurs when a dog's skull is too small for its brain.

"People are carrying out breeding which would be first of all entirely illegal in humans and secondly is absolutely insane from the point of view of the health of the animals"

Professor Steve Jones
University College London

It also features boxers suffering from epilepsy, pugs with breathing problems and bulldogs who are unable to mate or give birth unassisted.

It says deliberate mating of dogs which are close relatives is common practice and the Kennel Club registers dogs bred from mother-to-son and brother-to-sister matings.

Scientists at Imperial College, London, recently found that pugs in the UK are so inbred that although there are 10,000 of them, it is the equivalent of just 50 distinct individuals.

Steve Jones, professor of genetics at University College London, said: "People are carrying out breeding which would be first of all entirely illegal in humans and secondly is absolutely insane from the point of view of the health of the animals.

"In some breeds they are paying a terrible price in genetic disease."

Breeding practices

RSPCA chief vet Mark Evans was interviewed for the programme.

He said: "The welfare and quality of life of many pedigree dogs is seriously compromised by established breeding practices for appearance, driven primarily by the rules and requirements of competitive dog showing and pedigree dog registration."

But Kennel Club spokeswoman Caroline Kisko said it is "working tirelessly" to help improve the health of pedigree dogs.

"Any dog may be shown but it is up to the judge to decide if it fits the breed standard.

"It is when characteristics become exaggerated that health problems can occur. This is something that the Kennel Club does not encourage and actively educates people, including judges, against doing as part of its 'Fit For Function, Fit For Life' campaign."

Pedigree Dogs Exposed will be shown on BBC One at 9pm on Tuesday 19 August.
 
Since my mum and sister are very prominent Cavalier breeders/exhibitors - there is FAR more to this than the programme will report!
 
Isn't there always Acolyte? (Must say you gave good advice on the Cav wen I said about my sis getting one, her and her OH adore their Cav. She is such a lovely little dog)
 
Why do people always have it in for pedigree dogs? Ok there are health problems but they're probably in Crosses and Mongrels too we just don't get told about them because they never receive the same publicity.

They always seem to forget to mention those of us who put a lot of thought and consideration into breeding healthy specimens of our chosen breed.

Makes me cross too that they always blame the show ring!
 
Yes I totally agree - granted Cavaliers arent my cup of tea, and syringomelia (or however you spell it!) is a problem within the breed, but the number of responsible breeders who are working to eradicate this sort of disease far outweigh those who are irresponsible.... and also outweigh those who jump on the band wagon and make this sort of documentary
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They always seem to forget to mention those of us who put a lot of thought and consideration into breeding healthy specimens of our chosen breed.

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The breeder of my Mum's IWS puts so much effort into breeding her dogs, I can't see the breeder of a mongrel putting in the same effort. She went to Ireland numerous times to source stud dogs, everything that could be checked was, the puppies have all had ebows/hips/eyes scores and even had pancreas testing as there is a certain condition that affects IWS. Anything that came back with bad scores was instantly castrated/spayed and as such would not enter the show ring.

The biggest annoyance I have, is people breeding Labradoodles (and the like) because they are "fashoionable" and charging £700 for a dog that you have no idea how it will turn out. They use mediocre dogs to breed from, and have no idea if there is actually a home for them.
Most mongrels are accidents, so it's more luck than good breeding they don't have anything wrong with them!

Before someone starts ranting at how amazing there crossbred/mongrel is, I have nothing against the dog, just irresonsible people breeding dogs for a quick buck. That includes purebreds!

Oops, I seemed to have gone off on a rant and gone of the subject of the OP!
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I wanted a rhodesian ridgeback in the next few years, now I would seriously reconsider that! I found that one fact alone totally shocking, and that the breeder so openly admitted that she did cull them, and was happy with her decision. Now, I would never, ever support these people by buying what they produce.

But, I am a big fan of working bred dogs, I am always shot down in forums by breeders sticking so, so, strictly to their lines and standards, I just thank goodness that my working bred, unregistered GSD is the picture of health (and with brilliant hips) doesnt look like them poor 'ski slopes' which are encouraged and I detest. The one at Crufts they showed was shocking.
 
I think the Kennel Club chose some shocking 'spokespeople'. The guy coming out of Westminster smirking and joking was an embarrassment. My conclusion was that the KC are shirking responsibility and came across very poorly indeed. I was all set for my first trip to Crufts next year - not any more!

I appreciate that there are many responsible breeders out there but the evidence of how the dogs have changed over the years was shocking. The KC could, IMO, do a lot more in regulating the irresponsible breeders.

And why oh why any 'lover' of cavaliers would breed a dog that had that awful awful brain condition is beyond me. Very sad
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Can I just say that I think there was a bit of clever editing with the GSD clips. The 2 very unsound dogs that were shown were not what the Crufts judge was talking about. I don't think those dogs were at Crufts. However the Crufts Best of Breed certainly did not move well and did look cow hocked. I have never seen this dog in the flesh, but it has won the top award in Germany and to do this they have to complete a working test, and have to have good hips before they can be shown. Having competed in agility on the Crufts green carpet, and had my dog slip and fall twice, I think the carpet may have affected the Best of Breed winners movement. He had probably never been shown on carpet before.
Thought the KC was shown, deservedly so, in a really bad light, as were some breeders. Have posted at length in post in latest news so won't bore you all again.
 
Can someone please explain to me about 'Breed Standards'? Does the breed standard have anything to do with the dog actually being able to do what it was bred to (for example, a German Shepherd actually herding)? The programme seemed to be saying that exaggerated examples of the breed standard were more important than the health of the animals to do their jobs.
Who devised the breed standards and what are their purpose?
I have to say I was quite concerned by many of the views shown (taking into account that more moderate views were probably edited out because they don't make good telly).
Our German Shepherd was bred from a German show dog and he suffered with all sorts of ghastly complications (dodgy hips, paralysis, eye problems) and eventually mum had him pts. Whereas our three mongrels lived to ripe old ages (average of about 14) with barely a day's sickness.
Also, we don't have children with our immediate family members for good reason (anyone seen Deliverance??) so why would it be ok to do that with any other mammals?
 
i watched that programme with interest as at work we are very involved with the cavaliers. The brain surgery shown was carried out where i work and the neurologist IMO is one of the best in this coutry. Syringomyelia is heartbreaking disease and it can sometimes be relieved by the surgery but this doesn't come without risks (as the prgramme showed, that boy was a lovely dog and it was a real shame that he did not make it) and sometimes it is so bad that it is kinder to have them PTS and it really does cause horrific suffering (as the clip showed of the CKCS scratching badly that was PTS as well).

I agree that there should be tighter restrictions on breeding to try and not create these genetic monsters that seem to be dominating the show ring
 
I too watched last night & was horrified & disturbed at what I saw. I have to say those breeders interviewed last night IMO were upper class twats. I did giggle when the interviewer asked how many leopards were running around in Maida Vale or wherever it was. It was extremely sad watching those dogs suffering and yes, something has to be done.

To a degree I understand what the Chairman of the KC was saying in that these breeders will carry on outside of the KC and where would breeding be then, who will govern what. The KC do have some good things going, their accredited breeder scheme, health & DNA testing, how many litters a bitch can have, etc but I do feel they need to do more and so have those type of breeders that were shown last night. I liked the comment about "these young vets now don't understand.... so we take our puppies to be put to culled by our older understanding vets - NOT. They aren't gonna change their views and I found their views disgusting.

I have full admiration to that Carol lady who is actually trying to do something about it, fair play to her, she's certainly a thorn in their side but her voice will be heard I have no doubt.

I will not however tar all breeders with the same brush. I make it my responsibility when purchasing a pet to do my homework & find out as much as I possibly can. There are indeed many, many, reputable breeders out there and for that reason I do not have a problem buying pedigree dogs & will continue to do so in the future if I wish.

When I bought my GSD I researched many breeders, yes, I could have bought one out of the local paper or a rescue centre but that wasn't my wish. I narrowed my selected breeders down to about 4. Many conversations later I chose the breeder I wanted.

I know I will have a lifetime of advice for my dog if needed. If my circumstances change I know they would take my dog back, they won't lift the condition on her breeding unless I am responsible and do the necessary hip scoring etc and I would most definately buy from them again.

Buyers - do your homework before you buy, there are many, many, good breeders out there.
 
The programme was very selective, choosing all the worst possible examples. While that is not to say those examples don't exist, it did make the picture for ALL pedigree dogs seem much bleaker than it really is. Culling ridgebacks, I'd agree, is awful and stupid, but I'd bet they interviewed ridgeback owners who don't cull - but they didn't put them in the programme. The truth is that, if you buy a ridgeback puppy as a pet - you want the ridgeback. What market for the non-ridgeback puppy? That is another likely explanation for culling, so we (as in the pet buying public) really have ourselves to blame

They also talk about culling white boxers - my understanding was that one reason for this is that white boxers are usually deaf, so not "perfectly healthy" puppies. As for the bulldog example - I am afraid 30 years ago (and probably far more) they needed caesareans to give birth, and were prone to horrid skin diseases because of all their skin folds and had serious breathing problems because of their flat face. That didn't happen yesterday, can buyers of pups really be so surprised? Once again, we are guilty if that is what we like to buy as a pet.

HD has been a problem in the GSD and some other breeds for as long as I can remember. Good, responsible, breeders are trying to eradicate such diseases from their breeding programme. Others don't care, people will pay as much for your puppies whether you are responsible or not
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So it was all very sad but I'm afraid there was nothing much new there
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I know someone with a gorgeous non-ridgeback ridgeback

she was cheap because of the lack of ridge, but she's otherwise perfect. so there is a market if the breeder will go to the trouble of finding it.
 
Obviously I didn't see the programme but I read about it online. I'm sure it was upsetting. I don't like the lengths some breeders go to to adhere to breed standards. People think it's fine to assume a good breeder is one affiliated with the KC/AKC and perhaps shows their dogs, but that isn't the half of it. I know several Boston breeders, some of whom I would buy a dog from, and some I definitely wouldn't.

Terrible accident with her eye aside--which, incidentally, had nothing to do with her short head, as she banged the side of her head--Stella has been 100% genetically healthy, in part because although her breeder shows, she does not go to extreme lengths. Stella can run around in 90 degree heat, no problem, as my zillions of pictures of her at the beach attest. Every time we're at the vet, he comments on her strong limbs and excellent heart rate. The program probably does have a huge point, but as others have said, that's not the half of it. "Hybrid" puppy farmers would have a field day if something like this was shown on US TV.
 
But as you say, the dog was cheap because she lacks a ridge, which implies it was difficult to find her a good home, or why drop the price? The ridge is the only reason most people (not everybody - yes, I know they are nice dogs!) actually want one.

Though a clever breeder could pretend it was special, perhaps charge more like they do for white shepherds
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Why do people always have it in for pedigree dogs? Ok there are health problems but they're probably in Crosses and Mongrels too we just don't get told about them because they never receive the same publicity.



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What was your opinion having watched the programme? Just interested to know if you thought all that was OK? The GSD's that can hardly walk? And they are bred to the breed standard, shown like that and WIN classes???

And it did confirm what we all know.......mongrels and cross breeds tend not to have the hereditary malformations and health probems that inbred pedigrees do.

Of course it's not ALL breeders, just like it''s not all Greyhound racers or all travellers, but the Kennel Club do not promote the breeding of healthy dogs.
 
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Can someone please explain to me about 'Breed Standards'?

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The breed standards were layed down by the kennel club many many years ago but unfortunatly they have been misinterpretted by many breeders and the kennel club has allowed these freaks of nature like the poor bulldog and the dachshund to become the norm. Bulldogs were to have a heavy head, thick neck etc (these are not the actual words, but general standards) Somehow this has been interpretted over the years to mean the dog with the biggest head, flattest nose, thickest neck etc is the best, meaning that these days the bitches often can't give birth to their own pups as the birth canal is too narrow

These have nothing to do with working dogs which are bred for health, stamina and breed traits such as chase instinct or retrieve instint.
 
I am generally quite reactionary and dont agree with programmes that sensationalise and selectively present one point of view. I also am not a fan of the RSPCA for being more political than welfare org.

BUT I thought the programme was actually quite reasonable. We have had a dog with a genetic problem and were shocked when we tried to report it (breeder not interested) to learn that the Kennel club has no interest or records of incidence or regulatory role.

This programme just backed up the fact that the Kennel club has no teeth and is scared of the breeders (who are also constrained by the breed standards and economics). The breed standards need to be revised to reflect the historical moderate confirmation of breeds, not the fictional extremes that drive the current standards.

I like breeds to look different and individual, but not at the price of an unhealthy dog.

Close inbreeding should not be allowed, dogs should be desbarred from breeding or showing if they have serious genetic defects and breed standards should reflect working confirmation, not freaks. There shouldnt be such a thing as a working lab and a showing lab, they should be the same thing!
 
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There shouldnt be such a thing as a working lab and a showing lab, they should be the same thing!

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Quite! Whatever happened to breeding good healthy animals with great bone confirmation, glossy coat etc etc! This is what breeders should be proud of, not the dog with the widest head/longest body/lowest back end....referring to the GSD's on said BBC programme again. Still can't get over how they have bred that dog into the ground, literally
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Sorry to repeat myself, but in Germany top show GSDs HAVE to have a number of different working qualifications, so they can certainly do both.

There are people trying to replicate this here in Ireland, there was a manwork section at the Irish Sieger for the first time last year.

Nothing in the UK standard about long bodies or low back ends being desirable, anyone who breeds for that or marks it up is wrong, IMHO.
 
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