People taking the P*** or is it me ???

Lizzie66 said:
Certainly the 3rd person is taking the mick. It seems that you and the 2nd person had a mutual agreement that suited you both, she turned out and mucked out yours Mon-Fri and in exchange you brought hers in 7 days.
However now person 3 is expecting you to bring hers in 7 days and isn't actually contributing anything extra.
Unless you want either a bad atmosphere or rid of your liveries then I suggest the sit down over a cup of tea and come to an amicable solution, be it you all do your own except for one off help around pre arranged dates (ie holidays) or you work out what seems fair.
ie Mon-Fri they turn out, muck out, water, hay, do feeds and you bring in, then at weekends everyone does their own.
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Yup. This is the way forward from what I can see.
This lady needs to suck it up like all the other women juggling young children/work and DIY horse care.
 
southerncomfort said:
Say that your commitments are such now that you won't be able to do their horses any more. Suggest they get sharers or come up with a rota between themselves so that their horses are seen to twice a day.

Needs sorting now or come the Winter you'll be looking after all of them full time!
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agree with this.


luckily I have one friend that we help out with, I turn out or put to bed some days during the week and her daughter schools a few of ours or helps poo pick.

with six horses it works well for us and her horse is very well behaved and will lead in and out with ours no problem.....have had trouble in the past with people just taking the pee and expecting to do it and since I am not 'A Upfront, Speak Up For My Self, Have Trouble Saying No' person its really hard to not feel guilty not helping out.....good luck.
 
The easy way around this is to call a meeting. Say that now winter is coming on you need to revisit the arrangements because you don't have as much time what is the plan going forward for equally sharing the work.
 
So, if I am getting this right:

One lady turns out 4 horses and mucks out all 4 stables 5 mornings a week (2 of the horses are yours and the remaining 2 belong to her and the new lady).

You bring in all 4 horses on those 5 days and then do everything (turnout, muck out, bring in) at the weekends.

Not clear who makes up feeds, does the waters and makes up haynets though?

On the face of it I would say you have a good deal between the 2 of you. However, the new lady should either be doing her share or should be paying for it to be done by the 2 of you if you are both happy to do so. Does the new lady do anything?
 
SusieT said:
The easy way around this is to call a meeting. Say that now winter is coming on you need to revisit the arrangements because you don't have as much time what is the plan going forward for equally sharing the work.
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Agree with this, but from bitter experience, set a time to meet, don't tell either livery that the other will be there, and don't tell them what you want to discuss. Because if you do, you will find that there's an "emergency at home"/"broken down on motorway"/"sudden gastric flu" that means that one or both manages to avoid the meeting, leaving you no further forward. Phrase it more as "something I'd love your opinion on", and hope curiosity gets them there.
 
SallyBatty said:
So, if I am getting this right:

One lady turns out 4 horses and mucks out all 4 stables 5 mornings a week (2 of the horses are yours and the remaining 2 belong to her and the new lady).

You bring in all 4 horses on those 5 days and then do everything (turnout, muck out, bring in) at the weekends.

Not clear who makes up feeds, does the waters and makes up haynets though?

On the face of it I would say you have a good deal between the 2 of you. However, the new lady should either be doing her share or should be paying for it to be done by the 2 of you if you are both happy to do so. Does the new lady do anything?
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That's what I was thinking
 
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smellsofhorse said:
Either charge them for your services or stop doing it.
It basically is your yard, so your rules.
They are taking advantage of you.
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charging is not simple as that as soon as Op charges them for doing stuff she running a buisness on the yard that changes things for the landlord and for OP for things like insurance etc.
OP I would just stop doing stuff for each other if it's not suiting you .
 
Its not entirely clear who's doing what.
If your 2 horses are fed, rugged and turned out, stables done etc each week day morning, it doesn't seem so bad to bring in the other 2 horses at night. Do you have to do full livery at weekends for both the other horses or is it just feed and turnout ?
What does the 3rd lady do ? Does she muck out for the other lady's horse at weekends ?

Basically, what ever the arrangements are, you're feeling put upon. And, fair enough, I'd be unhappy too, if no one turned up until late to sort them out.
You really need to have a meeting to arrange a rota as things have changed since the new livery arrived. It'll be a long winter, so talk things over and ensure each of you know what you're supposed to be doing. We all have demands on our time, but if these ladies can't commit to a fair share of the work, they should consider part livery, not DIY.
 
Goldenstar said:
ZzSS

charging is not simple as that as soon as Op charges them for doing stuff she running a buisness on the yard that changes things for the landlord and for OP for things like insurance etc.
OP I would just stop doing stuff for each other if it's not suiting you .
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Kind of.?.... A bit like petrol money being ok officially now for transporting a friends horse, a nominal amount may be ok : but anything like a tariff or more than one or two and it would be looking like a business. A bit like you can sell 3 horses a year and not be a business but any more and you are deemed a business.
 
Get a big white board, write each job down one side, days across other, use different colour for each horse. Over cuppa work out who is doing what. At bottom put each of your names, & when assigned a job mark against your name so keep tally chart on amount you are doing. That way you can compare how much each person does (remembering you have 2 horses, they have 1 each). Just go through & mark it up, childcare no excuse, horse isn't on part livery. No reason why they can't come in earlier or later. Assign time by which they will go out latest or come in earliest, if problem person has to ring others & tell them so they know. If you all know what is expected & when, then you wont feel used (or will they).

We used this so YO knew what (paid) help liveries needed, works very well. Make time to assign jobs for next month pleasant time to have chin wag & cuppa, takes heat out of situation.
 
So Lady 2 mucks your two horses out every weekday morning in exchange for you bringing in her one horse every weekday evening? It sounds like you share doing weekends between you? If that's the case then it sounds like you are getting the better deal tbh. Lady 3 does her own mucking out? And you bring her horse in because you don't want it left out on its own?

There have been two previous posters who have posted about exactly the same situation as you have, right down to them also being the person on the land rental agreement. I can't imagine how, with only 3 people involved in this tiny set-up, you find it so difficult to organize yourselves.
 
Ok 3 of us at yard
During summer horses in so I do stables after turning out
Other 2 ladies used to take it in turns doing mornings but they now both go to yard in morning & turn out & do stables between them they dont have to do rugs - when I am not at work I also tend to pop down & help out I also sort my own hay & feeds

But it seems that I am the only 1 there on an evening 7 nights a week & also I also do turnout & probably 3 of the 4 stables on a weekend - someone normally turns up as I'm about o do the last 1 - but they have also both been known not to turn up at all 1 day over the weekend
It doesn't bother me about doing my own - I either get up a bit earlier or do stables on a night but occasionally like all others there is something I would like to do & have to run round like a headless chicken when I know they are sat at home! I think it is definitely time to have a chat & clear the air - thanks or all your replies X
 
cna everyone not just muck out their own stables? IF you're getting your stables done every weekday morning and only bringing in the week, and of a weekend doing their stables it seems fair. Additionally if they have 2 horses between them and you have 2 horses it would seem fine that they do half between them and you do half.
 
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