Pessoa joins list of Olympic dope test show jumpers

It makes me really sad to hear that so many riders have done this. They should have a lifetime ban. That top class riders are using these methods to make their horses jump higher is obscene.
 
Oh dear, and he has such cool stirrups too!
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i think all this talk of cheating i a bit harsh at this point. Animal products are not always required by law to list ingredients, it is damn easy to use something that appears entirely innocent (e.g. anti chew rug spray) for an entirely innocent purpose and now get tested. particularly at this particular substance is transdermal . doubtless one or two even are guilty of trying a bit too hard but remember this, most of them tested clean on arrival, passeed a vet check after that and then those in the individual final had to pass a second vet check prior to that. slightly concerened myself that with over thirty percent of showjumpers testing positive at this point that neither vets nor stewards nor ground jury saw any evidence of imflamemed or sore shins either at these checks or at the boot check that EVERY competitor has to go through IMMEDIATELY after jumping.
 
I'm still really confused by the reference that the substance is banned because of its "sensitsing properties" when it's marketed for exactly the opposite.

Here's a paragraph on it:

Capsaicin is used pharmacologically to decrease pain. Capsaicin and capsicum-containing dosage forms, such as creams and gels, are used as topical analgesics. Capsaicin blocks substance P production and storage in peripheral nerves and blocks C-fiber conduction, thereby reducing neurogenic inflammation and pain response.9 Nonivamide has been shown to have similar desensitizing activity using animal models, but it has not been proven to be as effective as capsaicin in decreasing the pain response.10

http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/3378/capsaicinarticle15.htm


Okay, maybe they're using it for its analgesic properties - and this in itself might be seen to be contrary to the rules - but why the opposite view . . ?
 
*sigh* getting sick to death of this now and unfortunately am starting to lose all sympathy. If you are professional enough to get to the Olympics for gods sake have the intelligence to double check EVERYTHING... even if you 'think' its OK.

The other problem is that even if it was accidental (which they probably all were) then just getting a slap on the wrist is not going to send out a very good image of equestrianism to the rest of the world. And secondly, again if it was accidental how unprofessional does that make equestrianism look!!
 
FFS...This is the equine equivilent of spraying Ralgex on yourself to alleviate a few aches and pains...Yes, it's technically in breach of the rules of the game....but it ain't like using spiked boots to make your horse jump higher !

The FEI have a LOT to answer for in this case IMO...
 
well said rambo. the previous poster clearly isnt understanding that some things you cant check, and some things you dont think you need to. its all very well being sanctimonious in hindsight but i was at a top international show YESTERDAY in holland and the horse i looked after horse got a small cut and i actually found i coulnt check the products supplied for by the rider because the ingrdients were not ALL listed and the official vet was not familiar with the brand. it wouldnt even have occured to me before this episode to check rug/anti chew sprays because i didnt know these products were also transdermal.
 
and for example, many mares get tight through their backs during and just after oestrus, as well as more temperamental, so isnt the use of regumate 'cheating' then? why should the people who choose to use this get an advantage over the au naturel competitor? now roodrigo has tested positive do any of you really think over 33% of those competing in olympic showjumping were cheating? with the same substance (or derivative of it)?
as tarr keeps saying this product does not 'hypersensitise' in the way they are describing and as i keep saying if you wanted to do it, you have to do it immediately before you jump. I hate the way people are being called cheats and being slagged off when there is so much wrong with this case. they have not tested for bute, or anything else for which there can be no doubt about either the efficiancy of the test, the use of the substance or the method/intent of its application.
 
This really does make you think they should check *all* competitors, not just *some* doesn't it?! I wonder what the stats would have been then
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as i have said before they should have done exactly that when they got the first four positives. you expect one person to be stupid enough with an olympic games at stake but not five.
 
Exactly, L..........
It's HK.....for example, the world and his wife uses Tiger balm...........I had some on me when I went to photograph racehorses at Sha Tin years ago. I handled them etc........
It's a complete mess testing for capsaicin when it exists across the board in so many products...presumably if you'd eaten enough chillies in a curry, it would appear in your sweat in the quantities they test for...........
Madness.
 
It is also used in wood preservatives and anti-fouling agents.

U.S. Pat. No. 5,397,385 to Watts discloses an antifouling coating
composition that uses capsaicin as an antifouling agent. The antifouling
composition can be used in combination with conventional antifouling
coatings, paints and binders and applied to wood, metal and plastic
surfaces. The antifouling composition may also be added to other materials
in molding processes to form various articles of manufacture and molded
products, such as boat hulls and water pipes, to resist fouling by
organisms common in fresh water and sea water. As with such conventional wood treatment, wood
treated with the biocidal, insecticidal, and termiticidal compositions of
the present invention protect against termites, carpenter ants, carpenter
bees and other wood destructive insects, bacteria, fungus, mold, algae,
and against marine borers. Further, the biocidal compositions also work as
fungicides in textiles, leathers, rubber, and the like

Lucretia - the stables at Sha Tin were made of engineered Bamboo I believe? This would be treated with a preservative, needing an anti-fouling type application to prevent rot in the humidity and also as a pest (i.e. insect / termite) deterrant. Also the flooring was recycled tyre rubber? All done to be eco-friendly.
 
how interesting though one would wonder why the dressage and event horses didnt test for it as well but maybe they were not tested for that substance? didnt all the horses arrive at more or less the same time though? in which case the eventers were least exposed to any contaminents before competing and the showjumpers the longest.
 
I asked this on another thread - were dressage horses tested for capsaicin, and if not why not, at least as a control.
I am heartily sick of people saying they should know better, they should check everything, they should yada yada yada.
Fercryingoutloud, do you not think they might have thought the horses were clean? Why should anyone be so stupid as to take risks at that level. Especially five of them! They should have tested the lot, at once, and the dressage horses, and for the sake of argument, the grooms!
The FEI by their own incompetence have brought the sport into disrepute - Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?* as they say in grooming circles.
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*who will watch the watchmen?
 
According to Norwegian newspapers the hearing that was supposed to be held this weekend has been postponed (not only for TAH, but for all riders i think - correct me if I'm wrong). Will possibly not take place before the end of September.
 
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hmmm. maybe that has something to do with having been on the business end ?
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what muppet does not test everything in sight when he gets five random positives for the same really random substance?

It seems to me that testing has changed, rubs were once on the right side of the law, and now are the wrong side. Dumb, but OK, if that's what you want to do. But not to warn people? Hmmmm how to get really bad publicity for your sport and influence people!

They must have KNOWN that all of a sudden rug sprays and wood preservers would test, right?
 
yes indeed. it struck me that the same PR muppet that works at the BSJA must have advise the FEI on this. because it seemed to me that the FEI were going all out to prove the sport was dirty, when surely they should be doing the opposite.
this weekend i decided not to treat a small wound rather than trust some foreign vet. the horse wasnt actually lame, but there was nothing in their vet box that had a complete list of ingredients so i just washed it with hibiscrub and carried on. needless to say it had a fat leg by morning but hey ho, we were clean and going home that day.......
 
which is ridiculous, that you need to do that. Testing only works if its initial purpose is borne in mind.
You only have to look at some of the posts on here, and these are horsey people, to see that the words 'dope test' set off all sorts of irrational emotions (hmmm are there any other kind, skewbald?!) and people start calling 'cheat' - the FEI have brought that down upon a bloke who used (or his groom used?) a rug spray.
It's criminal, really.
Hey, lucretia, you could get a job with the 'grooms don't bandage my horses' guy. You could put on your CV -' 2008, Netherlands - Did not use antiseptic dressing on cut leg ......'
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PMSL!! and took the piss out of french showjumper reading the label on his massage gel AFTER the groom had applied it, so its clear to me there are still a few numpties out there!
 
I'm probably wrong on this, but...

I was under the impression that the top 8 of any BIG International (like Olymps, WEG etc) were automatically tested.

Does anyone know?
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