Petition the Prime Minister to Ban the use of Captive bolt guns

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My petition reads:

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Ban the use
of Captive bolt guns as a method for killing domestic pets

We call for the imediate ban on the callous use of captive bolt
guns followed by pithing as a method to euthanase domestic pets
such as dogs. There is no need for this method to be used on
pets yet horrifically this cruel action is being used by a
major animal welfare charity.

Andrew Meads
 
truely utterly bloody daft. Captive bolt is the alternative to a bullet ,hand guns were banned by the present government, what are you suggesting as an alternative?Lethal injection in all circumstances , get real.
 
Huh? What? Why would we seek to ban captive bolt guns? More accurate and quicker than a hand gun. Sometimes the only way to euthanaise an animal in an emergency. I will admit to surprise that they are being used on small animals - but it is probably cheaper than leathal injection. We can't ban the captive bolt from the slaughter industry so how would we practically ban it from use for domestic pets? Some people keep pigs as pets. Some dogs are bigger than some horses. I think there may be more important issues....
 
Cos they are a bunny hugging moron?
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Providing the person using the captive bolt is sufficiently trained to use it correctly and effectively I can't see a problem with it at all. When I need to make the decision for my horse I would much prefer the captive bolt to be used. So no, I for one won't be signing your petition
 
Why would it be cruel to use it? I dont know much about it but I had believed it to be quick and painless if a little shocking to an observer sometimes
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the OP is a bit of a one trick pony if you look at their previous posts - this has more to do with RSPCA bashing than any kind of intelligent thought

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Ah, of course. I remember. Well put, MH.
 
A captive bolt makes a hole through the dogs skull. If the shot isn't accurate ie if the dog struggles, a few more shots may be required.

A metal rod (screwdriver) is then shoved through the hole again and again and screwed around to mash the dogs brain up. This then causes the dogs to have violent fitting movements while they are dying. This is by all accounts very messy and smelly with lots of blood, urine and faeces expelled from the body.

I certainly wouldn't want any of my dogs PTS with a CBG and neither is it a humane way for an animal to die especially a dog......

I am not a tree, bunny hugger or a moron and I also own horses, none of which I would have PTS with a CBG! My equine vet was astounded and disgusted that a CBG was used on a small animal and he's not a moron either...
 
Not sure i'd advocate it's use on pets, however CBG has it's purposes.
I personally wouldn't have a horse PTS any other way - heard too many horror stories using injection, and I mean real horrors that have put me off for life.
Our old horse was PTS with CBG, and although we talked to the vet about injection he said it would take him a long time to die as his system was shutting down (old horse and long story)
I also actually think there are better Equine causes to chuck at the Government, rather than dilute efforts with rubbish like this..... just my opinion
 
OP, I would like to see / read these examples of a "well known animal charity " using the CBG as a method of euthanasing pets. I'm afraid I cannot honestly believe that anyone would use this method for a dog over lethal injection, which is quick and easy. Please provide examples rather than simply making unsubstantiated claims about animal charities.

FWIW, my horse will ideally be euthanised with shotgun or CPG because I want him to go to the hunt, which he can't if he's full of drugs. There are too many horror stories of lethal injection going wrong for me to risk that method for my own horse.
 
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OP, I would like to see / read these examples of a "well known animal charity " using the CBG as a method of euthanasing pets. I'm afraid I cannot honestly believe that anyone would use this method for a dog over lethal injection, which is quick and easy. Please provide examples rather than simply making unsubstantiated claims about animal charities.


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http://www.the-shg.org/SHGPressReleases.htm
 
FWIW I think there are horror stories with having horses PTS with any method to be honest. I don't like the idea of a CBG as ever since we learned about this method of slaughter when I was at school I thought it was pretty grim.

However, I find it hard to believe this is something used generally by the RSPCA or other charities as a method of euthanasiam certainly for small animals anyway. I believe it it used commonly with cattle (I may be wrong?) but that's about it.

I think I'd rather see petitions for such things as making it compulsory for people to have licences for dog ownerhsip etc and tougher sentencing for animal cruelty/neglect to be honest though.
 
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A captive bolt makes a hole through the dogs skull. If the shot isn't accurate ie if the dog struggles, a few more shots may be required.

A metal rod (screwdriver) is then shoved through the hole again and again and screwed around to mash the dogs brain up. This then causes the dogs to have violent fitting movements while they are dying. This is by all accounts very messy and smelly with lots of blood, urine and faeces expelled from the body.

I certainly wouldn't want any of my dogs PTS with a CBG and neither is it a humane way for an animal to die especially a dog......

I am not a tree, bunny hugger or a moron and I also own horses, none of which I would have PTS with a CBG! My equine vet was astounded and disgusted that a CBG was used on a small animal and he's not a moron either...

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Must be different for a dog than a cow then as I have seen many, many cows killed with a captive bolt and not one of them has ever had violent fitting! Without fail they have all gone the same way. They drop instantly, that's it! There is a pithing wire placed through the hole, but it's not waggled about. The slaughterman places it in and leaves it there (it's plastic actually). It's very quick and I have also never seen one need "shooting" twice with the captive bolt gun.....and these are non domestic pets who are more prone to moving/being startled by people approaching.

You get the odd one that will twitch a leg, but that can happen with any method of euthanasia, not just captive bolts, as the nerve fibres take a little longer to "die" after the heart has stopped beating.

I know it's not a nice thought, but no method of euthanasia is "nice", whichever way we look at it.

I'm not sure that my comment is really relevant anyway as I don't know of any vet practices that would use a Captive Bolt on a small animal though....they're the domain of large animal vets generally speaking.
 
as far as i am concerned,a CBG is far better on large animals,i.e. cattle, horses, sheep etc. it should always be used by a person with a licence to use such and when it is used the animal is dead before it touches the ground! anyone with a decent enough vet will give an option on domestic pets, but the general rule is by injection. i know this as fact being involved at times with this ending of animals lives.
 
where on earth did this horror story start from- some red top rag mag or something abroad? this does nt happen in a proper vets practice, and i've never come across such vile propaganda!!!!
 
QR Another hysterical post by someone without a clue to reality. I suppose they think lethal injection better for large animals although disposing of such carcasses is troublesome to say the least these days. I have never seen a small animal dispatched by CBG incidentally, despite the links posted above. There is no need, dead dogs and cats do not generally enter the food chain, in this country anyway.
Another set of idiots who start a movement/petition without offering a viable alternative.
 
10 German shepherds where shot using the CBG - the public only found out because the officer bragged that it was his preferred form of euthansia!! This was then denied by the Charity saying they always inject but then they had to retract the statement.....

http://www.germanshepherdrescue.co.uk/rspca-captive-bolt.html

THIS IS A STATEMENT RECIEVED FROM THE RSPCA IN NOVEMBER


Thank you for your enquiry.

Please accept our apologies for the delay in response; this is due to an exceptionally high number of enquiries received over recent months and it is taking some time to reply to them all.

Not all the figures you have requested are available and we would normally require greater background and context so that we can understand the purposes for which the statistics will be used. However, we hope you find the following information helpful.

On average the Society rehomes over 60,000 animals every year. It has been necessary for our inspectorate to euthanase 576 dogs so far this year, 65 by captive bolt. The use of the captive bolt is the quickest and kindest approach under certain circumstances, but the Society recognises that it may be perceived as a controversial method of euthanasia for companion animals.

Sadly, the RSPCA is often seen as the charity of last resort and so that an animal's welfare is not compromised further, euthanasia is often the kindest option. No one working for the Society finds this aspect of their role at all easy. Until there is greater recognition of the issues surrounding indiscriminate breeding and irresponsible pet ownership it is likely to remain an aspect of our work.

We have new campaigns and education programmes planned for 2010 that will highlight and address these fundamental concerns.

Other animal welfare charities claim they do not put animals to sleep but say they are unable to assist owners in many more challenging circumstances. The RSPCA does not believe this is an acceptable response as further animal suffering is often the result.

Thank you again for contacting the Society, and we hope the above information has been of interest.

Kind regards
RSPCA HQ Advice Team
 
Oh for the love of God, not this again!

I have seen footage of animals being killed by captive bolt, and had no issue with it. It's sad that these dogs were euthanised but I don't have an issue with the use of a captive bolt here either.
 
I think from the relatively small percentage of the RSPCA's euthanised dogs that they are not using the CBG as a preferred euthanasia method.
Generally to put down with injection, the vet needs to get an animal sufficiently motionless to find a vein and inject without the animal pulling away and tearing it open. Having tried to hold my own pet to get a needle in, I would pity any vet trying to humanely achieve this on an unsocialised animal as the RSPCA often deal with.

I prefer lethal injection aesthetically and for the owner, but I don't actually think that one method has been proved to be less humane than another. Yes there are probably horror stories about bolt guns (although the whole screwdriver thing sounds like an urban legend) and a botched shot meaning that a second one is needed whilst the animal is in pain from the hole in its head, but this is very much the exception rather than the rule. There are equally horrid stories of animals with reduced circulation or where the doseage was wrong where animals have writhed in pain for many minutes before going under from lethal injection.
 
I'm another person who doesn't really understand the objection to captive bolt. I regularly help euthanize animals as part of my job and would think this was a kinder alternative in some circumstances than wrestling with the animal to try and administer a sedative injection, which then takes 20 minutes to work, before you can euthanize. I have witnessed first hand how lethal injection can go less than smoothly, although I don't think the animals suffered any pain. Most animals urinate/defecate/twitch at time of death whatever method is used. We regularly pith reptiles, you have to.
 
Sadly, I think the point of the original post has been lost and overwhelmed by views on the use of the captive bolt as a form of destruction in equines..at least several of the above posts clearly believe this is what it was about. It wasn't. It is about the use of a method to kill dogs that has been banned for many years in Ireland. It is not banned in England. It is used successfully in abattoirs by trained slaughtermen. The RSPCA has no such training - they admit that. Even with a large animal like a horse, it has to be undertaken by a skilled and trained person. It can and does go wrong and that is far from pleasant. The RSPCA who took measures to gag its critics over this, receive many hundreds of thousands of pounds a year from donations made by animal lovers. I consider that it is right that those who disagree with the use of captive bolts for dogs should be allowed to have their say. If you are at all interested in the FACTS of the case, concerning the 12 GSD's who were given no chance at all and who were killed by captive bolts and pithing within earshot and smell of their mates, then I suggest you read the whole story here

http://manytearsrescue.webs.com/rspca.htm

Just because you do not feel this to be a cause you want to subscribe to, does not give you the right to say someone who does feel it worthwhile is a bunny hugger and other abusive terms.
 
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