Petition the RSPCA

Actually I donate specifically to their prosecutions fund as they are extremely successful in convicting abusers like Spindles farm.
With dog fighting and cock fighting on the rise, we need justice and protection for pets and wildlife.
Other charities refer their own abuse cases to the RSPCA'a prosecutions department and even the Crown Prosecution Service uses them as a reference on their website.

Who else will bring abusers to justice ? The CPS's record is pretty poor and they do not have the expertise, as they themselves recognise.

There's a lot of propaganda being swallowed by the gullible who don't bother to find out the facts. Propaganda being spread by those with an agenda like the hunting fraternity, those with a vested interest in trapping rare birds of prey and those who have an axe to grind having been reported for neglect and cruelty.

The RSPB and WHW, amongst others use the services of the RSPCA for taking legal action. Why don't they refer all these cases to the CPS ?
Why is a charity left to prop up the failures of our legal system ? -Or perhaps it's detractors believe no one should be brought before the courts at all for causing suffering to animals ?

Is the a petition for the horses to be returned to Spindles Farm then ?
Lets leave the Causeway horses to starve as well, we wouldn't want to upset their owner.....
 
It's a petition to help the RSPCA do what they are supposed to, including all the stuff you have listed horserider. All the complaining that goes on on the internet undermines them and discourages a lot of people from donating, and when I see that kind of stuff I want to tell the complainer not to tell us, tell them. But there doesn't seem to be any means to do that - when they had known about Spindles Farm for some time (according to locals) and yet taken no action, I tried to find a way to ask them why that was, but there was no way apart from writing them a letter. Make it easier, make them accountable for their mistakes (yes, they do make them) and they will become and organisation we can all have more confidence in.
 
fburton said:
None of which is incompatible with greater accountability...?
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Absolutely, I agree, but why this constant attack on one charity ? Name me on perfect organisation ?

My mother was given appalling care in an NHS hospital, I have to donate to the NHS with my taxes. No Choice there.

I object to paying for the excesses of MEP's. Subsidising 5* restaurants for MP's at Westminster...

Why do banks get away with ripping people off ?

I wonder what the extremely well funded RSPB spends its money on now they pass all their prosecutions over to the RSPCA ?

What does the BHS actually do for welfare with our subscriptions and donations ?

Accountability or the new buzz word 'transparency' is something I very much agree with, but campaigning to undermine an organisation which, although not perfect,is doing a lot more than the rest of society for vulnerable animals, and I'd like to protect that.
 
horserider said:
Absolutely, I agree, but why this constant attack on one charity ? Name me on perfect organisation ?

My mother was given appalling care in an NHS hospital, I have to donate to the NHS with my taxes. No Choice there.

I object to paying for the excesses of MEP's. Subsidising 5* restaurants for MP's at Westminster...

Why do banks get away with ripping people off ?

I wonder what the extremely well funded RSPB spends its money on now they pass all their prosecutions over to the RSPCA ?

What does the BHS actually do for welfare with our subscriptions and donations ?

Accountability or the new buzz word 'transparency' is something I very much agree with, but campaigning to undermine an organisation which, although not perfect,is doing a lot more than the rest of society for vulnerable animals, and I'd like to protect that.
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Agree with you totally. When you deal with as many cases each year as the RSPCA do you are never going to get it right every time and even when you do not everyone will agree that you have. Accountability is fine and they publish very detailed reports and have to answer to the Charities Commission and auditing by external accountants.

When people ask for more accountability I wonder what they actually want after all it is run on voluntary donations and not taxes?
 
horserider said:
Actually I donate specifically to their prosecutions fund as they are extremely successful in convicting abusers like Spindles farm.
With dog fighting and cock fighting on the rise, we need justice and protection for pets and wildlife.
Other charities refer their own abuse cases to the RSPCA'a prosecutions department and even the Crown Prosecution Service uses them as a reference on their website.

Who else will bring abusers to justice ? The CPS's record is pretty poor and they do not have the expertise, as they themselves recognise.

There's a lot of propaganda being swallowed by the gullible who don't bother to find out the facts. Propaganda being spread by those with an agenda like the hunting fraternity, those with a vested interest in trapping rare birds of prey and those who have an axe to grind having been reported for neglect and cruelty.

The RSPB and WHW, amongst others use the services of the RSPCA for taking legal action. Why don't they refer all these cases to the CPS ?
Why is a charity left to prop up the failures of our legal system ? -Or perhaps it's detractors believe no one should be brought before the courts at all for causing suffering to animals ?

Is the a petition for the horses to be returned to Spindles Farm then ?
Lets leave the Causeway horses to starve as well, we wouldn't want to upset their owner.....
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Absolutely.I know for a fact the RSPB use the RSPCA as I rang the RSPB to rescue swans with fishing line and RSPB informed me only deal with the bird law and not rescue! They told me to ring the RSPCA who spent 2 hours catching the swans and removed all the fishing line with a stitch cutter etc(embedded in legs). I will not sign. We dont need more blooming bureaucracy, just action.
 
Whilst appreciating the sentiments of the OP and the undoubted good intentions of the petition, I'm afraid that with the organisation referred to, my thoughts, if expressable at all, would run along the following lines:-

i.e. "as, fart, much, use, as, gale, in, the, a".

Can't see the organisation concerned taking any notice TBH; they're too entrenched, receive far too much in donations by well-intentioned but totally deceived people; and have been given far too much power to throw their weight around by successive governments.
 
Hope some of you will consider signing this petition too. At the time of posting it only needs another 287 signatures to trigger a government response.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/43807


We ask the government to investigate the RSPCA's activities, especially where they infringe civil or legal rights.

The RSPCA use "bully boy" tactics against innocent members of the public to bring prosecutions. They often infringe on citizens civil and legal rights.
They misuse funds which have been donated by members of the public specifically for animal welfare for their own political gain in bringing these often vexatious prosecutions. This petition asks that the government investigate fully the actions of the RSPCA, ensure that they are unable to prosecute anyone as that is the remit of the CPS and ensure tighter rules are in place from the charities commission to prevent registered charities from using funds for political lobbying or bringing private prosecutions.
 
Done - but how much control do the government have? Good luck with that angle - something needs to be done, animals are being let down because the RSPCA is alienating the very people who care the most.
 
sussexbythesea said:
....... When you deal with as many cases each year as the RSPCA do you are never going to get it right every time and even when you do not everyone will agree that you have.
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When people ask for more accountability I wonder what they actually want after all it is run on voluntary donations and not taxes?
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Para 1. Perhaps you'd like to compare the failure rate of the rspca, when compared with the CPS, who are our official prosecuting body.

Para 2. When the rspca fail in their often laughable attempts at prosecution, it's actually the tax payer, that's you and I, who picks up the bill. ;) A system which I object to.

Alec.
 
JillA said:
Done - .......
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And another here, and I've sent it on to 11 friends, for all the good that it'll do!! We've a Government who've already acquiesced and handed over the responsibility which may not have been with in their powers. I wonder what would happen if a private army fancied having a bash at Mugabe, do you suppose that our Government would lend support? :D

Alec.
 
Fenris said:
Hope some of you will consider signing this petition too. At the time of posting it only needs another 287 signatures to trigger a government response.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/43807


We ask the government to investigate the RSPCA's activities, especially where they infringe civil or legal rights.

The RSPCA use "bully boy" tactics against innocent members of the public to bring prosecutions. They often infringe on citizens civil and legal rights.
They misuse funds which have been donated by members of the public specifically for animal welfare for their own political gain in bringing these often vexatious prosecutions. This petition asks that the government investigate fully the actions of the RSPCA, ensure that they are unable to prosecute anyone as that is the remit of the CPS and ensure tighter rules are in place from the charities commission to prevent registered charities from using funds for political lobbying or bringing private prosecutions.
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Yes, well, not all of the members of public that the SHG support are 'innocent' are they? Cockfighters and such like....:rolleyes:
 
Alec Swan said:
Para 1. Perhaps you'd like to compare the failure rate of the rspca, when compared with the CPS, who are our official prosecuting body.

Para 2. When the rspca fail in their often laughable attempts at prosecution, it's actually the tax payer, that's you and I, who picks up the bill. ;) A system which I object to.

Alec.
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Perhaps you would like to quote me their failure rate compared to the CPS?

Here is their latest report.

http://www.rspca.org.uk/in-action/whatwedo/prosecution/report
 
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