Petition to ban horse slaughter in the UK.

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Has anyone else seen this? Its a group on FB who are trying to get slaughter banned here, i have tried to point out a reasoned argument to them as to why it shouldn't be banned (mainly because they will just be pushing the problem overseas), i got shouted down. If anyone else has strong feelings either for or against it, im sure your comments would be most welcome on there. I feel like a little fish in amongst the sharks at the moment. Ive bowed out for now :)
 
Why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to want to end slaughter of horses in the UK? What do people think would happen to the unwanted horses if horse slaughter was banned? Do people want to see the equivalent of the horrenous journeys and subsequent vile deaths experienced by horse from the USA, travelling to Mexico and Canada?
I would rather see the small slaughter houses re-opened and no animal being travelled further than 50 miles from its last 'home'
 
YorksG said:
Why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to want to end slaughter of horses in the UK? What do people think would happen to the unwanted horses if horse slaughter was banned? Do people want to see the equivalent of the horrenous journeys and subsequent vile deaths experienced by horse from the USA, travelling to Mexico and Canada?
I would rather see the small slaughter houses re-opened and no animal being travelled further than 50 miles from its last 'home'
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Totally agree.
 
fluffy bunny brigade at it again, thinking they are doing the right thing but making things a whole lot worse
have you got a link to the facebooh group
 
YorksG said:
Why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to want to end slaughter of horses in the UK? What do people think would happen to the unwanted horses if horse slaughter was banned? Do people want to see the equivalent of the horrenous journeys and subsequent vile deaths experienced by horse from the USA, travelling to Mexico and Canada?
I would rather see the small slaughter houses re-opened and no animal being travelled further than 50 miles from its last 'home'
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Ditto.
 
YorksG said:
I would rather see the small slaughter houses re-opened and no animal being travelled further than 50 miles from its last 'home'
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That is something I would gladly campaign for. For for all species. Having an slaughterhouse in ever large town would do animal welfare the world of good.
 
friesian80 said:
Its a contraversial subject. I really wish it could be banned in the UK, QUOTE]

I am sorry, but you are joking aren't you?:eek:

Banning slaughter houses for horses is absolutely one of the worst things that could happen - more are needed, not less.

Agree with everyone else, complete and utter thoughtlessness by the pony patters.
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I take it no thought has been given at all to just what will happen to the infirm and unwanted I am assuming in their little minds they will all be given lovely homes and lots of patting.

My friends in the states say that the worst thing that has happened there for horse Welfare is the banning of slaughter.

Yorks G another one agreeing with your idea.
 
Originally Posted by YorksG
Why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to want to end slaughter of horses in the UK? What do people think would happen to the unwanted horses if horse slaughter was banned? Do people want to see the equivalent of the horrenous journeys and subsequent vile deaths experienced by horse from the USA, travelling to Mexico and Canada?
I would rather see the small slaughter houses re-opened and no animal being travelled further than 50 miles from its last 'home'

agree with this also
 
I dont think they can have thought this through very well. However much we may hate the idea of horses being slaughtered, it is a much needed service with all the over breeding etc.
I would rather it happen in this country than the poor animals being shipped abroad with horrifing journeys to be killed in a slaughter house with with lilltle or no regulations.
 
Oh in an ideal world it'd be lovely if the slaughter of horses was banned and all horses were loved and cared for til the end of their days, kept in lush green paddocks by knowledgeable people and PTS humanely at the end. Yes, that would be wonderful wouldn't it.

Unfortunately, in the real world that isn't the case. I hate the thought of animals going to slaughter (any to be honest, not just horses but that is cos i am far too soft and have to keep telling myself they don't actually know what's going to happen). However, I would MUCH rather horses travelled a short distance to a local slaughter house than being transported overseas for hours on end in dreadful conditions. THAT should be banned NOT slaughter in the country. These people are very misguided. I'd hate to see us in the state America is in.
 
Inexperience in real world and mistaken in comparing animal welfare with the human emotions. I'm totally with YorksG. It is a mistake to look upon horses as fluffy bunnies and it shows lack of respect for their dignity. All this whilst there is a strong campaign for euthanasia for humans. :rolleyes::confused:
 
YorksG said:
Why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to want to end slaughter of horses in the UK? What do people think would happen to the unwanted horses if horse slaughter was banned? Do people want to see the equivalent of the horrenous journeys and subsequent vile deaths experienced by horse from the USA, travelling to Mexico and Canada?
I would rather see the small slaughter houses re-opened and no animal being travelled further than 50 miles from its last 'home'
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Agree with this 100%! The state of horse welfare has gone downhill in the US since the banning of slaughter. Travelling thousands of miles to get from one end of the country to either Mexico or Canada without many stops & access to water/food is not humane. The fluffy bunny brigade needs to stop trying to "help" horses. They've already f'ed things up over there enough, let's not follow in their footsteps.
 
I wonder if those asking for horse slaughter to be stopped are all vegetarian and are campaigning equally hard to get the slaughter of sheep, cows, pigs etc stopped also?
 
I just finished reading a thesis written by an American studying for a masters – he wrote it before the effective end of slaughter* in the US, but after horse slaughter was criminalised in California.
Essentially, after slaughter was ended in California, the number of welfare cases rose sharply. Horses no longer had a value as meat, and that meant it was easier for people to dump them than to invest in the cost of humanely killing them.
The end of horse slaughter in the rest of the US just caused a 122% rise in the number of horses killed in Canadian abbatoirs. In other words, they went on being slaughtered; they just had a long, miserable journey beforehand.


* I understand it wasn't banned, but meat inspections at horse plants were ended, which effectively banned the practice.
 
YorksG said:
Why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to want to end slaughter of horses in the UK? What do people think would happen to the unwanted horses if horse slaughter was banned? Do people want to see the equivalent of the horrenous journeys and subsequent vile deaths experienced by horse from the USA, travelling to Mexico and Canada?
I would rather see the small slaughter houses re-opened and no animal being travelled further than 50 miles from its last 'home'
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Totally agree
 
Perhaps those campaigning on FB would like to give permanent, loving homes to a few hundred horses who would otherwise have to go to an abbatoir? I'm sure it could be arranged.

They don't live in a real world, just a make believe one. I'd love to hear their alternative plans for these horses
 
YorksG said:
Why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to want to end slaughter of horses in the UK? What do people think would happen to the unwanted horses if horse slaughter was banned? Do people want to see the equivalent of the horrenous journeys and subsequent vile deaths experienced by horse from the USA, travelling to Mexico and Canada?
I would rather see the small slaughter houses re-opened and no animal being travelled further than 50 miles from its last 'home'
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Yes im with you on this totaly, The situation in the states is absultly terrible for horse welfare because of these stupid cretins.
im totaly against this.. it would be a very dark day for horse welfare...
 
navaho said:
Has anyone else seen this? Its a group on FB who are trying to get slaughter banned here, i have tried to point out a reasoned argument to them as to why it shouldn't be banned (mainly because they will just be pushing the problem overseas), i got shouted down. If anyone else has strong feelings either for or against it, im sure your comments would be most welcome on there. I feel like a little fish in amongst the sharks at the moment. Ive bowed out for now :)
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Is it a group that carrys and weight or just a few nut jobs do you think?? if it is a big powerfull presure group then we need to fight it, if its just a few random nut jobs then its best ignored ....
 
i personally wouldn't send any of mine to a slaughter house but that's just my personal opinion/feeling.
however i also know that if it wasn't for the slaughter houses then the horses would either be abandoned and neglected OR travel hundreds of miles to another country in horrible conditions (for the horse) to be slaughtered.

as much as i hate slaughter houses i understand and accept there is a need for them.
 
navaho said:
Has anyone else seen this? Its a group on FB who are trying to get slaughter banned here, i have tried to point out a reasoned argument to them as to why it shouldn't be banned (mainly because they will just be pushing the problem overseas), i got shouted down. If anyone else has strong feelings either for or against it, im sure your comments would be most welcome on there. I feel like a little fish in amongst the sharks at the moment. Ive bowed out for now :)
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OOOO will send me the link on FB.....nothign like a bit of controversy :)
I got shot down on horsechit chat for god forbid not agreeing that slaughter is horrific :rolleyes:
 
ladyt25 said:
Oh in an ideal world it'd be lovely if the slaughter of horses was banned and all horses were loved and cared for til the end of their days, kept in lush green paddocks by knowledgeable people and PTS humanely at the end. Yes, that would be wonderful wouldn't it.

Unfortunately, in the real world that isn't the case. I hate the thought of animals going to slaughter (any to be honest, not just horses but that is cos i am far too soft and have to keep telling myself they don't actually know what's going to happen). However, I would MUCH rather horses travelled a short distance to a local slaughter house than being transported overseas for hours on end in dreadful conditions. THAT should be banned NOT slaughter in the country. These people are very misguided. I'd hate to see us in the state America is in.
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I agree
my feelings exactly.
 
Maybe someone could start a group for better regulation of horse slaughter in the uk? I was going to suggest one for more slaughter houses but I can see that going down like a lead balloon with most people! Lol
 
I bet none of them have ever even been to a slaughterhouse.

I spent a lot of time at Potters last year and was very impressed with the professionalism of the staff in their handling of the horses. The horses are held in pens with straw, hay and water in the groups them come in. They are then then lead into the kill room one at a time (unless they're feral) and the man chats away to them so they have no idea what's coming. The room is then pressure washed before the next one.

Slaughterhouses are a very important part of the horse industry because they provide a humane end for horses that would otherwise be passed from sale to sale, dealer to dealer in a downward spiral of neglect. If more people had the guts to send low value horses there instead of selling them on to an uncertain future we could avoid more cases like Amersham. Obviously in an ideal world they would be put down at home by a vet but let's face it if you have no money to feed your horses you also don't have the money to have them destroyed by a vet, which is where slaughterhouses play a vital role.
 
YorksG said:
Why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to want to end slaughter of horses in the UK? What do people think would happen to the unwanted horses if horse slaughter was banned? Do people want to see the equivalent of the horrenous journeys and subsequent vile deaths experienced by horse from the USA, travelling to Mexico and Canada?
I would rather see the small slaughter houses re-opened and no animal being travelled further than 50 miles from its last 'home'
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Agree entirely with this. Could lead more horses abandoned to their fate and all sorts. Whilst personally my horses would always be PTS at home there will always be a need for slaugher houses. The key is ensuring minimum upset to the horses both in terms of distance to travel and how they are handled and dealt with when there.

It is an emotional subject but the fluffy bunnies need to wake up and smell the coffee that banning this could lead to even worse deaths for horses.
 
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