Petrol prices

And then they say that prices may reach £1.40 in January. Don't know about everyone else but diesel has been that price around me for some time. Maybe they think that we who live out in the sticks should walk everywhere or catch a bus. If I did this I could add B&B to the cost for the necessary overnight stay due to the infrequency of them.
 
Deisel is £1.44 here. It really does have an effect. I cant see how 3p is either here or there TBH it needs reducing by about 50p a litre IMO
 
The Labour government have a lot to answer for, it was them who put the fuel escalator or whatever it is called in place. The Tories have to put a halt to rising prices, it is beyond ridiculous now. Diesel is never below 139.9 round here and petrol not far behind it.
 
irish_only said:
And then they say that prices may reach £1.40 in January. Don't know about everyone else but diesel has been that price around me for some time. Maybe they think that we who live out in the sticks should walk everywhere or catch a bus. If I did this I could add B&B to the cost for the necessary overnight stay due to the infrequency of them.
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Already £1.40 here at the indendent petrol stations. My hubby said he paid £1.50 on the M'way last week! :eek:
 
We pay about £1.37 at Morrisons, for some reason the government seem to think that everyone lives within walking distance if a bus stop and work 9-5!!! In reality people work shifts, no bus stop nearby etc etc. I have definitely cut down on my outings with the trailer, the outlook us gloomy for all of us, where is the fuel protester leader Mr Haddock who was a big name in the fuel strikes of 2001? :( :( :(
 
I heard them talk about it on the radio on the way to work, saying how they want to press the oil companies to lower prices which will in turn reduce the cost of fuel.....................typical. They are passing the buck - its not the price of oil that keeps our prices at the pumps its the duty!

I only use the car for essential journeys - nursery - work - Nursery - Home! that's 30 miles a day though - 3 days a week. So I am bout £160 a month in fuel with all the other trips.

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The graphics below explain the costs that make up the price of a litre of unleaded at 132.9p and a litre of diesel at 137.9p so you can see who’s getting the biggest slice of the petrol pie:

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Or, just stop charging 60% duty on fuel would be a good start - but then that would leave the government with a big big deficit and in this current economic climate that wouldn't be good, so it is a tad catch 22 isn't it?

Cars are going to go back to being a luxury, which is going to be a bother as now most local shops are v expensive and well, supermarkets have destroyed local high streets, so without a car, it will make big shops hard etc. cut down or the activities we take part in etc.
Cut down on where we spend money.................and it goes on and on and on. For me it limits how often I see family and friends.
 
EmmasMummy said:
Or, just stop charging 60% duty on fuel would be a good start - but then that would leave the government with a big big deficit and in this current economic climate that wouldn't be good, so it is a tad catch 22 isn't it?

Cars are going to go back to being a luxury, which is going to be a bother as now most local shops are v expensive and well, supermarkets have destroyed local high streets, so without a car, it will make big shops hard etc. cut down or the activities we take part in etc.
Cut down on where we spend money.................and it goes on and on and on. For me it limits how often I see family and friends.
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Yes not funny... ok if you are at the bottom or the top of the income scale but realy tough if you are somewhere in the middle
and paying for it, from chavs swaning round eating greggs and waching kyle all day to the bankers bailed out and carrying on as before, bonuses and gambling with our money!! forign aid topping up dictators swiss bank acounts and then the money we pour in to the EU we realy need to start asking questions about how all not just fuel taxes are being spent..
 
perfect11s said:
Yes not funny... ok if you are at the bottom or the top of the income scale but realy tough if you are somewhere in the middle
and paying for it, from chavs swaning round eating greggs and waching kyle all day to the bankers bailed out and carrying on as before, bonuses and gambling with our money!! forign aid topping up dictators swiss bank acounts and then the money we pour in to the EU we realy need to start asking questions about how all not just fuel taxes are being spent..
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I am sure I read something the other day about how vehicle excise duty isn't spent on the road upkeep (well its not ROAD tax really is it, its a pollution tax).

If I wrote to westminster to ask what exactly is the break down of spending for the petrol duty that they take in they would have to tell me wouldnt they? As I am now curious, and even if it costs me £10 would like to know!
 
EmmasMummy said:
I am sure I read something the other day about how vehicle excise duty isn't spent on the road upkeep (well its not ROAD tax really is it, its a pollution tax).

If I wrote to westminster to ask what exactly is the break down of spending for the petrol duty that they take in they would have to tell me wouldnt they? As I am now curious, and even if it costs me £10 would like to know!
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I think you will find all taxes and dutys just go into the pot and very little is ring fenced !!!and no not a polution tax.... just tax, and yes asking is ok but the real question is how is the total tax take as a whole is being spent.......
 
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Me & my OH are trying to find a place to live so that I can walk to work - I drive 10 miles to work (there & back) & 4 miles to the yard (and back) & this little round trip is costing me £50 a week in fuel (in a little Citroen Saxo) my car tax went from £82 for 6 months to a wopping £118 (for 6 months) this year & we can no longer afford to run my car anymore. Add in another £40 a month for insurance & my car costs me just short of £300 a month to run!!

We have been going under for a long time but if it carries on the car will have to go & I will have to find a job that I can walk to work to. Pone will probably have to go as well :(
 
Oil is running out. They keep announcing "big" finds but if you do some research you will find that a "big" find these days will keep the world going for another two weeks. They proclaim "tar sands" that cost almost as much in fuel to extract and process as they deliver, and at a huge cost to the environment. Take a look at a Canadian tar sands extraction site:

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Shale oil is the latest one being trumpeted. It is obtained by cracking rocks far underground. Possibly OK if you don't mind the surface of the planet above it falling to pieces and aren't among the scientists and engineers who believe that it is extremely dangerous to destablise large areas like that. Still takes almost as much energy to get out as it delivers.

Biofuel - forget it. If you want to know why your chip fat in the supermarket is costing 30% more than it did a year ago, blame biofuel. We cannot grow enough to feed the world and run our cars on oil based fuels as well. Especially not as fertilizers are made from oil and will not be available to artificially increase yields.

Diesel and petrol are going to get more and more and more expensive as oil gets more scarce and the only thing that we can do now is to learn to live without it. It's a bummer for poorer people and very unfair, but if we go on using oil, the only alternative will be rationing.

I feel so sorry for the generation after me. We had it all and squandered half of it. My younger relatives are in for a difficult time....
 
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broke_but_happy said:
Fair enough C but then the government needs to get off their arses and put a decent public transport system in the country!
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Yep, there is NO public transport near me. Its a 4 MILE WALK to a bus or tain station. But due to rising fuel prices bus and trains are getting more and more expensive. Every 6 months the train goes up by 50p to £1 on the journey I normally take. I drive a LAndrover, and its only slightly more expensive that the train, as I need a lift to the train station, then a taxi in preston at the other end (don't fancy walking in that part of preston at night with a laptop etc), so it works out the same. Also I would say at least 60% of the time the train is late so its an inconvience.

Because of fuel prices, everything will get more expensive (food is already more expensive), and as unemployment is rising, no new jobs are being created, wages aren't rising significantly, living prices are getting higher, heating, water and electricty are all going up.
Something has to give, I predict the worse :mad:
 
broke_but_happy said:
Fair enough C but then the government needs to get off their arses and put a decent public transport system in the country!
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Completely and totally agree. I used to think we elected politicians to do the right long term thing for us all. In my old age I am sadly disillusioned, they seem to do only what will get them another 4-5 years in power :(
 
cptrayes said:
Completely and totally agree. I used to think we elected politicians to do the right long term thing for us all. In my old age I am sadly disillusioned, they seem to do only what will get them another 4-5 years in power :(
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Public transport!!!! fine in a city and urban but ineficent and useless out in the sticks always will be .. and how many want to wait for a smelly old bus full of smelly horrid people??? sorry but we have invented the car its better.... maybe we should get rid of all the subsidised poluting buses and build light rail transit systems to serve the urban areas tax cars where there is a viable alternitive but help the rural driver where there isnt , oh and there is plenty of oil just our greedy ineficent goverment is wasting money and fuel tax is a easy target esp when the ecomental lobby backs the tax increases the comie mupets.....
 
perfect11s said:
oh and there is plenty of oil just our greedy ineficent goverment is wasting money and fuel tax is a easy target esp when the ecomental lobby backs the tax increases the comie mupets.....
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Sorry Perfect, there isn't plenty of oil. We hit the peak of oil production in the world some time ago and sources are now running out. There is a measurable and terribly finite amount of even moderately easily available oil and it is irreplaceable for millenia until more algae die and get compressed into new oil.

We have to learn to live without it. How is still an unanswered question , since we dress in it, fertilize our crops with it (ie we eat it), use it to package everything and drive our cars, trains, trucks, buses, planes and power stations with it.

The car is better than public transport, I agree. Electric cars may be an answer (if we can solve the fact that we are also running out of the stuff we currently use to run nuclear power stations). But oil based fuels most certainly are not.
 
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comie muppets? We might better off with them than neo-liberal d***s which have been in power for far too long.
cptrayes- you are right, we can't rely on oil as fuel. We need to have alternatives asap, or drastic fuel saving alternatives, so demand is reduced. We can't go on as we are for much longer.
 
has there been a vote on how whats planned for january or still waiting??
Also i live about 5mins away froma bus stop which is all well and good but i couldnt get to work on one as i would ahve to leave about 2hours before i need to to enable me to catch the buses at the next stops...not exactly feasible in a world is it considering my work is actually only 7miles away but public transport in the country is *****...if its improved and i can get to work in 30mins i would probably give it a go atleast a few days a week. However i think ill be retired before that happens bring back the horse and cart!!
 
dominobrown said:
comie muppets? We might better off with them than neo-liberal d***s which have been in power for far too long.
cptrayes- you are right, we can't rely on oil as fuel. We need to have alternatives asap, or drastic fuel saving alternatives, so demand is reduced. We can't go on as we are for much longer.
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There are alternatives and have been for years but the ideas and patents are sitting in locked cupboard of the oil companies!!!!!!!!!!!! Who have been spending what to us would be a lot to buy them up for very obvious reasons!
 
Electric cars aren't the answer as we still need to generate the electric (not to mention the inefficiency and impracticality) we should be investing in more research into the hydrogen fuel cell as this would allow us to drive in a way that resembles current car use far more than using electricity.
 
dizzydancer said:
has there been a vote on how whats planned for january or still waiting??
Also i live about 5mins away froma bus stop which is all well and good but i couldnt get to work on one as i would ahve to leave about 2hours before i need to to enable me to catch the buses at the next stops...not exactly feasible in a world is it considering my work is actually only 7miles away but public transport in the country is *****...if its improved and i can get to work in 30mins i would probably give it a go atleast a few days a week. However i think ill be retired before that happens bring back the horse and cart!!
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Same here. To get to work 2 days a week bus would be fine, just leave 20 mins early as there is bus lane and I can walk at the other end.

The other 3 days, I would not be starting work till near 10am rather than 8am as would get bus to 1mile from nursery (closest stop - rural nursery) walk LO up there, walk back then wait for the bus that runs every 30-40 mins, then walk the 15-20 min walk at the other end. Same going home. Would need to leave at 4 to get LO by about 6 and would get home about 7:30/8pm if you allow for traffic jams.

So unfeasable, I NEED a car 3 days a week - well I could send LO to a local nursery but they are full, so I cant.

I owe 4k still for this car, and that's just over what its worth so even if I sell it I can't buy another wee one that 'might' be cheaper to run.

The Idea or living in a caravan in the field at my parents growing my own veg and having a sheep and a cow for meat each year is looking more and more attractive!
 
KristmasKatt said:
Electric cars aren't the answer as we still need to generate the electric (not to mention the inefficiency and impracticality) we should be investing in more research into the hydrogen fuel cell as this would allow us to drive in a way that resembles current car use far more than using electricity.
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Generating electricity isn't really a problem. We have massive areas of desert in the world which could generate huge amounts of energy from the sun. We have energy in the wind and the sea that just needs harvesting.

Managing an explosive fuel like hydrogen is a pretty tricky business though. Would the fuel cell you envisage generate electricity in the car? Because if not, the storage and transport of large amounts of hydrogen is completely impractical. My "consultant engineer" tells me that to delivery the same amount of energy as petrol/diesel, your average filling station would have to have 27 tanker deliveries an hour. If that's even a tenth of the truth, it can't be done, the petrol station would be constantly shut to take deliveries.

If your "in car" solution is possible, how many years are we away from a commercial application in a family saloon? Because electric cars are viable now and have been since the 1980's even though General Motors did their damndest to kill it off, acording to "Who killed the electric car?"
 
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