PINWORMS vet advised to put wormer up the bum

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Hi all im new here i bought an 8month old irish cob colt 6 weeks ago hes now 9months when he arrived he was riddled in what i thought was tape worm i wormed with equest and the nxt day was a worm blood bath great i thought thats sorted 2 weeks later he poos i see riggling worms so i gave him equest pramox i gave him the whole tube didnt realize how strong it was if i had known wouldnt of given him the lot any way he was fine but again there are worms these have now been identified as pin worms vet doesnt wnt to treat him by putting wormer into his system as hes had to much as it is so has suggested i put the wormer up his bum now im thinking this will not cure his worms as im sure pin worm travel to the bum when there fully grown or am i wrong will the vets advise work how long will i need to leave him till i can treat him with 5 day course via his mouth he was wormed with equest pramox on the 30 dec he should of had half a tube but he had full tube so he was double dosed
 
We've had re-occurant problems with pin worm due to wormer resistance. On the instruction of our vet, who referred to both Liphook and Rossdales for advice and having followed a very rigourous worming programme we had no option but to do what your vet is suggesting. BUT we had the vet evacuate the area (pull out all the droppings) then put the wormer in and at the same session wormed normally.

There is a very good reason for this, wormer does not go through the actual dietary system, i.e. it doesn't stay as a whole and kill the worms as it goes. It gets absorbed into the blood stream and then this is what then kills the worms. Pinworms have become a huge problem as under dosing and the system not necessary getting the chemical to the right place have meant the nice adult pinworms which live in the back part of the system and put their little wriggly heads out to lay eggs outside the body, don't often get the attention they deserve.

If you just put wormer into the anal cavity as soon as the horse does droppings (Poo's) the wormer will just be forced out or will simply stick to the droppings rather than be absorbed into the system in the right place and kill the worms.

If I am faced with pinworms ever again, my treatment will be simple, call vet, administer wormer at both ends, get result in one hit, not lots of doses of wormer. This has been done after a huge amount of research and if you just keep worming you will be adding to your problem.
 
Mine had pin worm. Did 5 day panacur & some liquid stuff to put round her bum. However she hasnt been wormed for tape because of the 5 days she was wormed for. The vets did say that because of the horse being wormed for 5 days it should kill any worms in their system.
 
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We've had re-occurant problems with pin worm due to wormer resistance. On the instruction of our vet, who referred to both Liphook and Rossdales for advice and having followed a very rigourous worming programme we had no option but to do what your vet is suggesting. BUT we had the vet evacuate the area (pull out all the droppings) then put the wormer in and at the same session wormed normally.

There is a very good reason for this, wormer does not go through the actual dietary system, i.e. it doesn't stay as a whole and kill the worms as it goes. It gets absorbed into the blood stream and then this is what then kills the worms. Pinworms have become a huge problem as under dosing and the system not necessary getting the chemical to the right place have meant the nice adult pinworms which live in the back part of the system and put their little wriggly heads out to lay eggs outside the body, don't often get the attention they deserve.

If you just put wormer into the anal cavity as soon as the horse does droppings (Poo's) the wormer will just be forced out or will simply stick to the droppings rather than be absorbed into the system in the right place and kill the worms.

If I am faced with pinworms ever again, my treatment will be simple, call vet, administer wormer at both ends, get result in one hit, not lots of doses of wormer. This has been done after a huge amount of research and if you just keep worming you will be adding to your problem.
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thank you so much will give it ago
 
Oh I am en expert in PINWORM. My colt arrived with them and has been plagued by them ever since!

I have now put him on a tailor made worm programme after my own programme and the vets progarmme failed to get rid of them.

Basically pinworms are the least harmful of all the equine worms. They live around the anus and the female crawls out when the the horse is relaxing ( usually at night) and lays her eggs around the anal area. The eggs then fall off during the course of the day onto the ground and they find a host and the cycle starts again.

They cause mega irritation to the horses anal area and this will cause him to rub his bottom on things. The eggs also get transferred onto the scratching posts and as they are very hardy eggs they live there for up to 5 years. You give a wormer, get rid of them but ponio then rubs on the scratching posts again and reinfects himself.

The advice to get rid is as follows.

1.Worm ponio with pin worm wormer(start with panacur 5 day treatment and weigh for correct dose)
2. on the day you worm clear old bedding out, wash down stable/shelter walls and floors with disinfectant(jeyes)
3. do the same for food bowls, rugs, brushes etc.
4. wipe ponios anal area with a baby wipe morning and night(don't use dsinfectant on pony or you may do more harm than good)
5. keep on top of poo picking

Hygiene is of most importance, if you don't do the above the eggs just find their way back into the horses system and the cycle starts again. I've put Ollie on Intelligent worming programme and this is their advice. I too have got rid of it several times with wormers but then he gets it again and it's because he is scratching himself on areas where the eggs are still present.

The good news is they are more of a nuisance than anything else and shouldn't cause any harm to your horse.
 
I agree with part of Lottie's advice, but the panacur is not proven to work, we also went the 5 day wormer, paint under tails for 2 weeks and then a huge dose (but under vet attention) it did not work.

Cleanliness - creosote anything he can rub on and is wood, its the chewing or touching this that re-infects. we also changed paddocks.
On day 2 or 3 after the wormer, take out and replace all bedding, disinfect stable thoroughly. It takes a couple of days to fully take effect.
Clean rugs with disinfectant.
Clean all grooming items and only use 1 grooming kit for 1 horse
Clean all feed equipment and buckets.
keep bum clean.

If you are touching other horses, do yours last, you don't want to infect them.

If in doubt get your vet to contact one of the specialists at the horsepitals.

Good luck - these little critters have no documented apparent damage to the horse insides but this hasn't been that fully investigated and the resistance is growing!

I did on re-reading your post, that your chap may be small, in this case it may not be possible to evacuate the poo - which your vet should do rather than you anyway, however if that is the case check with the vet about what you should do i.e. administer after he's been and should you re-administer?
 
thanks for all your posts i have to pick wormer up from vets this afternoon so i will ask the further. its such a pain as he also came riddled in lice we are just getting on top of them now with no adult or baby lice left just eggs to hatch its been a long 6 weeks with the poor chap with all these problems with lice and worms luckily he hasnt been rubbing as his field is done with electric fencing to no sore bum or bare tail. why do these breeders let them get in to this mess and still allow them to be rehomed. would like to enjoy him now with out having to delice and worm him every 2 mins but im sure ill get there with him treating a horse with lice and pinworms is all new to me as my other horse never had any problems in her 32 years and is still hoing strong enjoying hacks. im i right to think it will be good to move his fencing 2 or days after using th wormer were he has been b4 will this help rid the problem just dont wnt to moe it to find out the treatment didnt work and then have another area infected with eggs i poo pick every day
 
I had a pinworm prob with one of mine, although they all live out 24/7 on the same grazing, I couldnt get rid of them for just one! I was using an equest worming programme, after alot of head scratching, I read the finer print.... Equest doesnt not treat pin worm!
There was me thinking that wormers treated worms!
anyway after a bit of research I found that stongid P does, gave him 1 1/2 X the recommended amount... Hey presto, problem solved.
No painting of bum with anything, impossible to creosote all the boundary hedges he used to itch on etc.
Judt to add he has been pinworm free since last summer, none ofmy others have ever had them, so far he has not been reinfested, but they are supposed to be hardy little bu**ers.. the pin worm that is!
 
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