Planning permission & stabling

[MagicMelon]

I'm hoping to purchase a property shortly with land. There's a large concrete base already there (I assume previous building whatever it was fell down). There's already a large shed which could be used as a stable already but I'd like a second one if possible and tack room etc. so basically would want 1 timber building with a stable, a tack room and small hay store. I believe if its movable then plannng can be avoided - is this correct still? And if so, does anyone know if what I want is too big for this? The only movable ones I've seen are basic field shelters.

 

[SaharaS]

Safest bet is to check with your local planning authority as it can vary massively even within an area..sometimes this depends on which local councillors live where! I have a bespoke built 12x24 foaling box that had a removable centre partition to make it into 2 12x12 stables, all on steel skids so yes it is possible to have various 'concoctions' but they would have to physically be towable. To be honest, I would avoid towing mine or moving it at all despite the skids being multi directional(4 way tow capability) in reality I would think anything bigger would have to then have to be built up out of several smaller towable units..which might get the local planning dept's backs up- you can get in serious hot water if you don't do it right, but if you check with them first you will be able to discuss all your available options -they are usually very helpful

 

[Honey08]

My friend bought a house with two old rickety stables, and her neighbour (a builder) swopped them a bit of land in front of his house to extend his garden in exchange for him building four new stables with en suite tackrooms. They are out in the middle of nowhere, with no through traffic, so got away without pp!

With our stables, I applied for six, was intitially granted two, argued for four, built them and then put two portable field shelters, that we had door put on, on a concrete pad that was already in existence. We asked about building the stables on the pad initially, but they said no. One of the shelters had been in a field for the first year, and we did tow it to the yard with a tractor (it was hard work!) and we have photos of it before so we can prove it has moved. Planning dept has never said something, but I expect they will if we ask for planning for a manege in the future!

So, what I'm kind of saying is that it often depends on how visible etc it is to other people... I would be inclined, in your position, if its not right next to a road/neighbours, to knock down the existing building (as it it unsafe, if anyone asks..) and replace it with a new stable block - not ridiculously bigger, but that suits your need.

Rough picture of the shelters.. They have a regular stable door and a section of the wall that folds back to make the doorway wide enough for a shelter door..

 

[LynH]

We have planning permission for a yard with a floor area of 150m2 because there was an old barn of that size already on the property. The condition being that the barn was removed before we started to use the new stables.
Our neighbour has been able to build 2 stables and a tackroom in her garden under permitted development and therefore didn't need planning permission.
One of the stable companies I have been looking at has a mobile unit with the combination you mentioned. I will PM you which one when I can get my hands of the brochures, possibly Prime Stables. They can give you planning advice but I just ring the planning helpline at my local council and ask them any questions without having to give them my details. They are very helpful.

 

[Honey08]

Be very careful before ringing the council - ours were very helpful before we applied but said no when we actually did! Most local architects will give you a good idea of what you could do without planning - and I'd rather speak to them than get the planning dept's beady eye on you...

Sounds like other people have good planning depts, but ours are dreadful re stables (too many people have converted stables to houses in the past..). Try and find out what the planners are like in your area before you make too many enquiries..

 

[Dubsie]

I'd suggest to apply for planning before removing the existing buildings, then you are replacing, which is seen less of an issue. If necessary dump some building materials on the concrete base and 'replace derelict stables' would then be considered replacement of existing, thus occupying already developed space. However check the plans on the property - might find there's no planning for what's already there