Please everyone check your passport details at nedonline

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Not exactly latest news I know BUT-
Several people I know have checked their details.
My horses are there but without their freezemark numbers--they are clearly on the passport from new
My friends horses are there but without microchip or freezemark numbers, their passports are Farmkey!! Her pony mare (away at stud for breeding) is not there at all
Another friend her horses are not there but a mare she previously sold on now dead is there!!
The system obviously needs our help to get it right otherwise what is the point.!!
We have all contacted the relevant PIOs and NED
 
I contacted them weeks ago about one of mine not being on there. They acknowledged my email, but still pony's details aren't there.
 
I think the site is a good idea but personally I think it's too big a task for anyone to police and keep updated
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My horse doesn't appear to be on there at all?
 
Thanks

Have advised them that they have one record incorrect, need also to advise that one is missing.
 
Tiffany
You must tell them (fill in form on site) and let your Passport Issuing Organisation know your details are missing
Agree this is huge thing to keep right but until the law changes whereby everyone MUST inform PIO when a horse sold/died or there will be penalties (like when you sell a car) this is the best we have and large sums of money have gone in to creating it more for breeders/performance horses so that data is available for blood lines and to assist buyers/sellers of 'ordinary' horses to know what they are buying is not stolen
 
It's all a good idea, and my horse's details are on there, one of them has many entries, but I don't feel inclined to change the details as why should I have to pay for the privelege ? (albeit £1 - which I am led to believe is an introductory price))
 
Henry is there, but without his freezemark. What's more, there is another horse with the same freezebrand, as I searched by this, first! I thought they were supposed to be unique?!?
 
Hi - just thought I'd drop you guys a quick note as I see several of you have visited NED and some details are missing.

Just to try to give you some background on NED and the current status on a few things -

1. NED receives 2 types of data from PIOs - 'Mandatory' and 'Voluntary'. Mandatory data is that which NED is required to gather on behalf of Defra. This includes such things as name, colour, date of birth, gender etc. Voluntary data is basically everything else such as height, freezebrand, microchip, sire and dam etc. Therefore where microchip or freezebrand data is held by the PIO, it may be that they are just not currently sending it to NED in the required format (or at all). We are working with all the PIOs to gain as much voluntary data from them as possible, but as the name implies, it's a voluntary act of goodwill from them.

2. I'm not sure how it could result in your horse being stolen? No details of where these horses are located, or who owns them is displayed on NED. In fact in due course we hope to work towards NED being a tool people use for locating horses they have lost touch with, or have had stolen. We are already in discussions with Horsewatch.

3. We are about to apply an upgrade which will mark deceased horses - where the information has been sent to us by the PIO. We can only accept it from them, so please ensure that if your horse passes away, that you send your passport back to your PIO in order that your horses record can be updated.

4. If your horse is not there please use the Feedback button on the Home page of NED to inform us.

5. NED does not need policing as such because all our data comes from verified sources and we only take data uploads from them. The User Entered section is clearly marked as unverified and is there for people to be able to personalise their horse's record with photos and other information. Any abuses of this facility will be treated extremely seriously and tracked to the user responsible.

6. By law PIOs are required to send updates of mandatory data to NED in a timely manner. Therefore the site will remain current. As the current data uploads may include voluntary data as well and mandatory data, the voluntary data supplied by PIOs will also remain current because it will be refreshed at the same time as the mandatory data. Again as this is an automated process the site should be very up to date once the bedding in period has finished.

7. By associating with your horse and informaing us of any duplicates etc. we can improve the database which means accurate information is available to the equine industry. It means your horse's dam will be properly accredited for her offspring, as will the sire. It means siblings can be identified. It means any progeny they have can be identified and linked to the family etc. etc. It means that when you come to research someone else's horse e.g. a stallion, you will benefit from the fact that lots of other people corrected their information so you get a more correct set of data.

8. NED CANNOT change any data. The NED team reviews the feedback to check whether it's a system or data issue and if it's a data issue it refers it back to the PIO. How long it takes to have any changes reflected in NED depends on whether the PIO chooses to update their records at all (many PIOs are extremely stretched for resources), and if they do, how quickly they do it and send an upload to NED. This timeframe is mostly out of the hands of NED, but I hope explains why it's not instantaneous.

I hope all of this helps to explain why there are some anomolies in NED. That said the vast majority of people whose passports are correctly recorded in their name with the correct address have been able to find their horses, associate with them, add photos and comments and find out lots more about their pedigrees, siblings and progeny.

Keep checking in on NED, you'll find it's continually improving!
 
I wish I could check my details online but I can't even get a passport for one of my horses. I've owned her 11 years, since she was three and have tried from several PIOs to get a passport but they all say I have to have confirmation from the people I bought her from that she was indeed sold to me. I have tried this only to find the breeder has died, her husband is in a nursing home and the vet that did the vetting was struck off/has gone out of business! I have tried to explain this situation and each time I am told that I can't be helped - ARRRGGHHHHH. To make matters worse, I still own her foal (now 7) and I can't get him sorted til I get her sorted.

NO-ONE will help me out with this. I think the only thing I can do is lie and say I have owned the mare all her life. But if we are lying then what is the point?!

I understand that there is value in having a database. I understand the the Jamie Gray's of this world won't be prevented by passports but I don't understand how I can genuinely want a passport so I can compete but can't get one.... VERY annoying!
 
The problems you experience Doddle, are simply because it's a failed system, the whole thing is un-workable, too many PIO's, to many websites, to many duplicates, and overall it's because noboody actually takes charge of the operation!!!

Has your horse ever been passported or registered? If so do you happen to know of it's registered name?
If yes to the above... a solicitors letter would be enough to obtain a passport in your details!
If it was never registered, and you have indeed owned the horse all it's life.... then the fact it was bred on your farm by you..... well...
 
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I wish I could check my details online but I can't even get a passport for one of my horses. I've owned her 11 years, since she was three and have tried from several PIOs to get a passport but they all say I have to have confirmation from the people I bought her from that she was indeed sold to me. I have tried this only to find the breeder has died, her husband is in a nursing home and the vet that did the vetting was struck off/has gone out of business! I have tried to explain this situation and each time I am told that I can't be helped - ARRRGGHHHHH. To make matters worse, I still own her foal (now 7) and I can't get him sorted til I get her sorted.

NO-ONE will help me out with this. I think the only thing I can do is lie and say I have owned the mare all her life. But if we are lying then what is the point?!

I understand that there is value in having a database. I understand the the Jamie Gray's of this world won't be prevented by passports but I don't understand how I can genuinely want a passport so I can compete but can't get one.... VERY annoying!

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Try the Cleveland Bay Horse Society, seeing as how they issue passports to any tom dick or harry who turns up at York Auctions with an unpassported horse then they should be able to help you.
 
I imagine you wanted to register her with a particular breed society and her foal
If you can show vaccination cards in your name stamped by your vet I dont understand what the problem is. Write to DEFRA explaining you are illegal but cant solve it without help
Sorry I dont know what else to suggest
Mine are BHS passports as have no breeding records for either and I did not have to prove ownership but I did have vacc cards in my name/address going back several years
 
Thank you for throwing a bit more light on the situation
This is a huge project and could be difficult to monitor--I would like to see it work but do SO wish that it had been done like the cattle database from the start and then begin to add the extras, it would still have been really easy to identify the native ponies and sport horses on it.
My friends and I with ordinary but much loved horses just wanted to be sure that the expense of microchipping/freezemarking or both made our horses readily identifiable nationally should they (god forbid) be stolen
 
My two girls are there, but the TB mare's pedigree is all missing. However I see on the homepage that weatherbys link to pedigree info is CURRENTLY unavailable so I will check again in a few days.

Quite excited actually, and will def register (pay £1) as current owner. They both have performance records as well which I would hope to see included (with eventing ireland).

Fiona
 
Thanks for all the advice guys:

Cuffey, yes I have got vaccination cards going back for as long as I've had her, but they also have the previous owners name on it - that's what has got me in this mess! I'll try calling Defra, I haven't gone down that route yet.

T_K - great plan! She's actually 1/8th Cleveland, and I purchased her when I lived in Yorkshire - I might give that a try.

BoltonRider - she does still have her registered name - I'd rather not pay solicitors fees though
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I might use this as a last resort.

Thank you all so much for the advice - I should have asked HHO before instead of going round in circles here!!
 
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Write to DEFRA explaining you are <font color="red"> illegal</font> but cant solve it without help
Sorry I dont know what else to suggest

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Eh?
Illegal.....why?

As an addition.... would suggest rather strongly you call and ask defra for advice first before you declare your situation!
Not something that defra enforce....however they'll be quick enough to pass on your details!

Note.... to solicitors fees.... actually qiet low when compared to tracing owners/getting the forms filled/paying the registration and transfer of ownership forms...etc etc!!
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I finally got round to checking if my horse is on NED....unfortunately she does not appear. I then went into a panic because she has a Irish passport, but checked on defra and its approved.

Have emailed NED but will see what happens, I've had her for a couple of years, so she can't be a new update....
 
My horse is there but although I have emailed them twice and they have replied only after I got a bit shirty at not getting any response from them. They said they were updating the site and with a lot to do it will take a long time.
I have doubts that this system will be of any use if they cannot get it up together before they finished the £1 membership offer (which is only until March 09 I believe) as once the price rises to normal (what ever that may be) I won't be paying it if they haven't updated my data. I own my horse and intend to do so for the rest of her days I don't care whether they have her details correct or not. (especially if its going to cost me money).
I wouldn't be winging but the details that are incorrect for mine are her parents and her colour - both things very clear on her passport, she is only registered with one PIO so I cannot understand how these details are incorrect!
 
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I finally got round to checking if my horse is on NED....unfortunately she does not appear. I then went into a panic because she has a Irish passport, but checked on defra and its approved.

Have emailed NED but will see what happens, I've had her for a couple of years, so she can't be a new update....

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If it's an Irish passport, it won't (at least at this stage) be on NED - NED gets data from UK PIO's and disciplines.
 
I think because Irish Horse Board is in the Defra PIO list (after Hulingham Polo Association) I assumed it would mean the info was in NED despite technically being UK only. Particularly as Defra confirmed on the phone that IHB is an ok passport agency.

However given my mind is now at rest, I shall resume to general 'neurotic' levels
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