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I'm not going to say anything just want to show you guys this and ask for your opinion.

Its a lump - the size is like the tip of you little finger. Smooth and rock hard. Its in the middle of his belly. Tell me its not what I think it is. I am very worried.

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Both me, and my much more experienced other half, think it looks like a fly bite? Maybe an infected one? I wouldnt be worried unless it grows...xxx
 
flamehead said:
Both me, and my much more experienced other half, think it looks like a fly bite? Maybe an infected one? I wouldnt be worried unless it grows...xxx
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Its been there for 2 weeks. I wanst worried until someone felt it today from the yard and said "oh dear....Sarcoid"

I feel sick. Honestly. Do yo think its a fly bite? As its been there for a couple of weeks - it hasn't grown or shrunk.
 
Before you worry, how long has he really had it, is there any cause ie bite, previous injury etc. Has it got bigger?

I have a 45 year old mare that has a lump on her neck, its been there about 11 years, it hasn't got much bigger, its hard and doesn't cause any pain. We haven't had it removed as it would cause her more stress, she's still with us, so don't panic!!
 
iconique said:
Before you worry, how long has he really had it, is there any cause ie bite, previous injury etc. Has it got bigger?

I have a 45 year old mare that has a lump on her neck, its been there about 11 years, it hasn't got much bigger, its hard and doesn't cause any pain. We haven't had it removed as it would cause her more stress, she's still with us, so don't panic!!
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He's 5 yrs old. Its more than a lump. The only way i can describe it is if you cut off the tip of your little finger and stuck it under his belly. It protrudes. But not immensely.
 
spacefaer said:
is it about a foot directly in front of his sheath, on the centre/underneath of his belly??
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If you look at the pic - bottom left - there is a hari line - that is the centre and the lump is about 1 foot from the sheath. Its in the middle of his belly, slightly to the right of the centre line if his head was facing right.
 
Get him started on Thuja. It's not controversial or expensive and if there's only the one, it may well nudge his immune system back up to max and nobble it - if it's what you think it is.

Also, keep flies off it, but research the right things to use. Maybe one of those horse sticking plasters?

Try not to worry - my four year old got some and I used Thuja and some other immune boosting thing and they went. I didn't put anything actually on them though. Vets and farrier thought they were sarcoids but they were never formally and conclusively identified, treated (or messed with by me). There's another thread about them on here somewhere.
 
I'd say possible infected fly bite too...mine had a little finger nail sized lump come up on his back flank but round near his tail about 3 weeks ago...it looked very odd, warty and a bit scabby but no head so was thinking what you were. I've kept an eye on it and one evening this week I noticed it had a definite head...so got cotton wool and squeezed gently...yellow pus oozed out. I cleaned it up and it now has a definite little tiny hole so I'm just keeping a watch on it in case I didn't get all the muck out or it was something else like a small entry wound from a splinter from fencing or stable if he's been scratching his back end in the field or stable which is a possibility. I'd say since I squeezed it though it has gone down a bit. Hope yours turns out to be something as innocent.
 
Could it be a tick? I mean a tick that perhaps has failed to stick but has left its "mark". My old girl gets lots of these and they do leave a rather large, hard lump. I wash with Hibiscrub and eventually they reduce in size, but it does take a while so this could be the problem with your boy.

Hope it's nothing more serious.
 
it may well be a sarcoid, but the only person who can tell you for sure is your vet. they can treat it if it is.
 
MochaDun said:
I'd say possible infected fly bite too...mine had a little finger nail sized lump come up on his back flank but round near his tail about 3 weeks ago...it looked very odd, warty and a bit scabby but no head so was thinking what you were. I've kept an eye on it and one evening this week I noticed it had a definite head...so got cotton wool and squeezed gently...yellow pus oozed out. I cleaned it up and it now has a definite little tiny hole so I'm just keeping a watch on it in case I didn't get all the muck out or it was something else like a small entry wound from a splinter from fencing or stable if he's been scratching his back end in the field or stable which is a possibility. I'd say since I squeezed it though it has gone down a bit. Hope yours turns out to be something as innocent.
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I do too - I really do!
 
I really think its just an infected fly bite....as does my OH. I mean by all means get the vet out if you're really worried but unless it doesnt go away for a really long time then I wouldnt worry xxxxx
 
flamehead said:
I really think its just an infected fly bite....as does my OH. I mean by all means get the vet out if you're really worried but unless it doesnt go away for a really long time then I wouldnt worry xxxxx
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Thank you!! THANKS EVERYONE!! I can always rely no you guys thank you. I will have a go at this Thuja cream - it can't do any harm can it?!
 
Not the cream - I wouldn't put anything actually ON it - Thuja the homeopathic pill things. And echinacea - that's what I used. In his food. NAF liquid one, I think.

In fact anything to lift his immune system, but nothing to help a sarcoid grow - if it is one, that is.
 
Berkeley said:
Thank you!! THANKS EVERYONE!! I can always rely no you guys thank you. I will have a go at this Thuja cream - it can't do any harm can it?!
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Yes of course it can! Taken internally it can have serious toxic effects. Externally it can cause skin irritation and even burn skin and eyes. Please do a Google SCHOLAR search and you will see for yourself.

Has a vet seen this lump? This would be the easiest and fastest way to put your mind at rest. It looks like a granuloma to me which is generally simple to deal with, but even if it is a sarcoid they come in a huge variety of types of lumps some of which are contained, non-invasive and will not spread.
 
Homeopathic thuja will not do any harm! I think you are confusing herbal remedies and homeopathic, there is a difference in that the homeopathic remedies are extremely diluted to the degree that they 'should' be useless! Herbal remedies usually use the actual herb in a tincture or essential oil, so much, much stronger.
 
touchstone said:
Homeopathic thuja will not do any harm! I think you are confusing herbal remedies and homeopathic, there is a difference in that the homeopathic remedies are extremely diluted to the degree that they 'should' be useless! Herbal remedies usually use the actual herb in a tincture or essential oil, so much, much stronger.
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I am not confused and would completely agree with you that homeopathic remedies are useless, which makes the selling of them irresponsible and exploitative. Given a choice between a dangerous substance (thuja) and a non-existence substance (12C diluted thuja) I would get the avice of a vet and centuries of scientifically backed research.

BTW in terms of homeopathic claims you are confused, as the main claim of homeopathy is that dillution increases potency, so that a dillution of 12C is twice as strong as a dillution of 6C.

Homeopathic beers to everyone who has read so far!
 
Before taking the advice of people who have only seen the lump in a photograph please get your vet to take a look, it may be something or it may be nothing.

IF it is a sarcoid it is not as if it is a death sentence, there are several methods of removal and it may never reappear (as happened to one that a mare of mine had removed by Liverpool cream)

DO NOT try to treat it on what is essentially other people's guess work!
 
Fair comment. I'd either leave well alone and observe or get a vet, but putting mine on Thuja (as directed by homeopathic resources) may, or may not, have encouraged them to disappear - as disappear they did. It might have been the echinacea, fairies or not even sarcoids! I certainly didn't touch them physically!

Keeping flies off is a sensible precaution, but again, I advised against using anything which would interfere with the lump as sarcoids are quite reactive. If that's what it is, a big 'DO NOT DISTURB' sign needs putting nearby until such time as authorised veterinary intervention takes place.
 
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Booboos said:
Yes of course it can! Taken internally it can have serious toxic effects. Externally it can cause skin irritation and even burn skin and eyes. Please do a Google SCHOLAR search and you will see for yourself.

Has a vet seen this lump? This would be the easiest and fastest way to put your mind at rest. It looks like a granuloma to me which is generally simple to deal with, but even if it is a sarcoid they come in a huge variety of types of lumps some of which are contained, non-invasive and will not spread.
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I'm surprised you can tell that from a picture! It could be any one of the conditions mentioned above. Apart from keeping flies off by any means which WOULD NOT involve putting anything whatsoever directly on the 'lump', I'd be leaving it alone and keeping a close eye on it.

A sarcoid attracts flies and widely accepted it is biting flies which carry the BPV from site to site. Keeping flies off is a sensible precaution, as long as it doesn't irritate the sarcoid chemically or physically.
 
Could it be a warble fly egg???? I have seen these before but not sure about the time of year for them. If it gets a head, give it a firm squeeze. If something like a tiny white marble pops out, its a warble.
 
It could be any of the conditions mentioned. I wouldn't do anything, other than fly deterrents, until a Vet has had a look. If you have any routine visits coming up in the near future you could ask the Vet to look at it then, otherwise I would keep an eye out for a few weeks in case it starts causing any problems/grows .
IF it is a sarcoid & it is an a position where it does not cause any problems with tack etc your Vets advise may well be to leave it & just keep an eye in case it grows. Remember that any interference, including a failed treatment, will make a sarcoid harder to treat in future so it's best not to go rushing into home tratments on the basis of advise from random strangers.
 
Booboos said:
I am not confused and would completely agree with you that homeopathic remedies are useless, which makes the selling of them irresponsible and exploitative. Given a choice between a dangerous substance (thuja) and a non-existence substance (12C diluted thuja) I would get the avice of a vet and centuries of scientifically backed research.

BTW in terms of homeopathic claims you are confused, as the main claim of homeopathy is that dillution increases potency, so that a dillution of 12C is twice as strong as a dillution of 6C.

Homeopathic beers to everyone who has read so far!
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No I'm not confused booboos, you were stating that thuja was toxic and I was stating that it is so dilute it can't be, I am well aware that the potency increases the more dilute it is! I also did not say it was useless, I said it SHOULD be useless, the fact that it does work in many cases where science says it shouldn't may well imply that science hasn't caught up yet!
 
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