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I read the telegraph article. It isn't often that fawning journalism is so wrong it actually makes me feel nauseous, but this is one of those occasions.

I have to say if Bunce, Little, Gilbert et al stuff one of their poxy video cameras in my face one more time when I have stopped for 5 minutes to take in a hunting view across fields or even dare to drive past where they are (usually very badly) parked - I might be tempted to get a bit forceful myself.

I don't have the time to actually follow hunts so only ever see them in passing - but the hunt is always accompanied by at least two of these sad hysterical middle aged folk who follow people around, try to record private conversations and constantly threaten to call the Police.
 
Thanks for that Mother Hen, yesterday you had me believe you were human.

yes, lets beat up old women, strange how none of your lot ever try that with me.
 
The media has actually latched onto this 'hunt monitor' malarky!

Poor huntsmen for ending up in jail
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I'm sorry but if someone goes into a hunt field and make the mistake of getting so close to the horse's it's an accident waiting to happen.

Maybe they should keep out of the hunts way, film from afar and take their grievances to the actual POLICE which they should be reminded they ARE NOT. Oh that's right they never film anyone breaking the law, so instead they bait people so badly that the person snaps and lashes out.

You know the police protected the anti war people at the troops parade, maybe they should turn up at every hunt and shield the sabs cos it's the same thing. A few extremists trying to wreck everyone elses fun day out!
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make me mad!
 
I am human, and relentlessly polite - if I wasn't Penny Little would have found herself wearing her camara at a jaunty angle years ago.
For the record my hunting day were over years ago, i'm not a member, I don't follow hounds but I do like to see them working.

I do object to being filmed by random people and if I stop to say hello to somebody i object very strongly to having my private conversations eavesdropped and recorded. Which are all quite human responses, I think.
 
poor huntsman ended up in jail, was that irony.

A few extremists trying to wreck everyone elses fun day out! killing things and beating up old women, make me mad!
 
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No I truely do feel sorry for the guy, he doesn't deserve to be in jail and I imagine as a law abiding citizen he will struggle with his time in jail. I just hope when he comes out he can continue his life as normal.

As for the 'old woman' who got up close and personal with a hunt horse, hell slap it into her.
 
Princess Sparkle and you a lady. I like it when you show your true colours.
I suppose we should give Ottis a medal too.
 
First of all i do not support any one getting hurt human or animal, but
if the hunt monitors are out legally gathering evidence on illegal hunting then good on them. If people in towns and cities can set up cctv on their house to gather evidence of yobs living in a neighbourhood then why not do the same in the country? The laws apply to people in the country the same as people in the cities
How many huntsmen said that if foxhunting were banned then they will carry on regardless? No wonder there is a need for hunt monitors.
 
I have to say i've yet to meet or talk to an anti who provides their view in a responsible, mature manor. Maybe you should try it? May get slightly more respect that way else.

Everyone has a right to their own views, however IMO if you can't be mature and respectful to ithers with differing views then should not share them.

All i've seen for the past week is anti's being dis-respectful to pro hunt supporters then when a supporter replys in a less respectful way it was the supporters fault. Obviously.

I hate how people make assumptions about people when they never knew them.
 
weebarney. there appears to be this presumption that every hunt is regularly breaking the law, this is patently not the case.
In fact, in respect of not complying with the Hunting with Dogs legislation I am not aware of one single case that has actually proceeded to a guilty finding that has survived an appeal process. There may be examples of course, but since my interest in hunting is only in passing i don't follow every case.

One could argue then that these self appointed hunt 'moniters' are largely redundant - they can only observe, like any other member of the public. They have no special powers, no special training and they are clearly not without bias - so really entirely unsuitable for the job, don't you think?
 
Hmm, didnt think much of the article.
I very much support hunting and up here in Scotland we have had the ban a little longer than England, but we dont seem to have any trouble with sabs- certainly not in the Borders, I cannot speak for the rest of Scotland. I don't have time to follow the hunt myself, but fully support all they do.
What I cant understand about sabs is why they give up so much of their time to follow hunts around. Obviously they have very strong views, but dont they have anything better to do with their time?
I feel strongly about many things in this life, but dont waste my precious free time protesting etc about it........
 
Mother_hen, i totally agree. How can someone who is monitoring a hunt be either anti or pro. I mean let's be honest hunt sabs/anti's etc would go mad if it was a hunt supporter monitoring hunts, no?
 
maybe you could point out at what point in my reply was i dissrespectful or immature?
At no point have i said that all hunts break the law, but if people are going to go on tv etc and say they will flout the ban then these people need monitoring.
 
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mother hen, there is no special training required in filming and reporting a crime to the police.

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Indeed not, but if you wish for your complaint to proceed to court it would be useful if the complaint were evidentially viable? Store detectives aren't police officers but they have training, door supervisors have training - these are people who work with the law and who may be required to give evidence. If hunt monitors wish to have the same credibility perhaps they should be a bit more professional.
 
Lanim

Its totaly exceptable to judge someone on their action
think Hindly, Hitler, Horseguy etc.

I would happily put forward a moral and legal case but I would just end up being insulted so whats the point.
 
Not all people who have stated their view against hunting etc have been disrespectful, however many replys have been by certain members. IMO speculating on the arrest of someone and indeed the death of someon is dis-respectful to those grieving these things. Especially when the victim is siad to have "deserved it" and yes that has been said on this forum over the past week, and many other comments like it.

Un-like some people i don't tarnish every person with the same brush and am fully aware there are some people who are anti hunting who put across their view in a very mature manor, just not all of them
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therefore sparking these arguments going on all over the board atm.
 
out of intrest and no Conurtyside alliance PR people please.
would you say there was more anti activity since the ban or less.
I could not believe how many people were at my local meet on boxing day. I guessed the ban may have helped hunt support as those who did not like the kill would now join.
 
I would say the nature of anti's has changed. I used to hear of landrovers full of quite heavily armed people turning up at hunts to cause problems (heard at 1st hand from very reliable people), since the legislation these have become groups of older people in groups of 3 or 4, in nice vehicles with quite expensive equipment.

I assume the more violent factions are now part of SPEAK or SHAC or some similar group
 
Being friends with a Sab she no longer attends hunts now the ban is in place (in Scotland at least) she used to go with her mother and step father at least every other week and disrupt the hunt as much as possible.

She was over the moon when the ban came in (we do not speak about it as it just causes debates that neither will win!) and truely believe that no foxes die at the hands of the hunt. I would ofcourse never tell her that foxes are flushes out, shot then a few chased before being shot a few moments before the hounds catch them, her ignorance is bliss.
 
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out of intrest and no Conurtyside alliance PR people please.
would you say there was more anti activity since the ban or less.
I could not believe how many people were at my local meet on boxing day. I guessed the ban may have helped hunt support as those who did not like the kill would now join.

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I think you are right, and dont need any help from any Countryside Alliance PR people.
 
i think you will find that a huge amount of people who give evidence in court have absolutely no training in giving evidence or whatever as they are just Joe Bloggs off the street who have witnessed a crime.

You dont need any sort of training as far as film making goes either which is why mobile phone footage could be used as evidence.
If the video evidence is good enough to go to court than it doesnt matter who was behind the lense.
 
Im yet to see or have pointed out how my reply to the first post was immature or dissrespectful, yet Lanim has the cheek to say he she doesnt tar everyone with the same brush, well I think i've been tarred with it!
 
As for the 'old woman' who got up close and personal with a hunt horse, hell slap it into her.

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Guess it is fair for people to say the same about Trevor and the gyrocopter if they so wish with idiots like you posting comments like that! Pathetic.
 
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weebarney. there appears to be this presumption that every hunt is regularly breaking the law, this is patently not the case.
In fact, in respect of not complying with the Hunting with Dogs legislation I am not aware of one single case that has actually proceeded to a guilty finding that has survived an appeal process. There may be examples of course, but since my interest in hunting is only in passing i don't follow every case.

One could argue then that these self appointed hunt 'moniters' are largely redundant - they can only observe, like any other member of the public. They have no special powers, no special training and they are clearly not without bias - so really entirely unsuitable for the job, don't you think?

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One could also argue that by their very presence the monitors have in fact encouraged the hunts not to break the law. Hence the lack of crime.
 
Sorry weebarney i don't remember saying you were? I'll read back through and see if i did. I don't think everyone with a different opinion to me is dis-respectful, rude etc. However i do think the majority (not all) of the people with a differing view don't exactly put it accross in the most polite of manners.

The only people i'll so called tar with that brush is the ones in IMO have replied dis-respectfully etc.
 
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maybe you could point out at what point in my reply was i dissrespectful or immature?
At no point have i said that all hunts break the law, but if people are going to go on tv etc and say they will flout the ban then these people need monitoring.

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I doubt anyone can point out those things lol lol It would appear that some posters on this forum live in a strange fantasy world were they just come out with crazy statements and blame people for something that just has not happened.
 
Weebarney - i see where the confusion was, my first post on this thread for some reason says i was replying to your post when in actual fact i wasn't aiming that at you
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Sorry for the confusion!

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Store detectives aren't police officers but they have training, door supervisors have training - these are people who work with the law and who may be required to give evidence. If hunt monitors wish to have the same credibility perhaps they should be a bit more professional.

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They could do with the training offered in self defence classes considering all your and other peoples threats of violence no doubt.
 
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