Poll on the legality of chasing wild mammals with dogs

[Hebegebe]

According to Zig Zag it is legal to take more than two dogs and use them to flush out and then chase wild mammals.

I was wondering who agrees with him.

 

[combat_claire]

The Act is most adamant on this issue, just read Schedule One.

 

[Hebegebe]

That's what confuses me. He is adamant that I can carry on legally.

It's downright weird

 

[combat_claire]

I don't think either ZigZag or Bunce have bothered to read the wording of the Act...they seem to be making it up as they go along, according to what THEY think should be legal/illegal.

 

[Hebegebe]

Really? Do you think they would make out the law was different to how it was because they are embarassed by it.

Surely if these people respect the law they wouldn't just make it up but wouold stick to what is written down?

 

[combat_claire]

I'd be pretty embarrassed - 700 hours of parliamentary time to produce something that doesn't even achieve what it set out to do...

Perhaps they need to follow the excellent example of the hunting community in how to respect the law and stick to what is written down. Even the CPS are inclined to agree with us!

 

[Hebegebe]

I know I should obey the law Claire but I just can't bring myself to.

I'm all for personal choice but I enjoy not shooting the deer I flush and being such a selfish sod I put my own pleasure above the need to obey the law.

Also it would upset my children.

 

[zigzagzig]

"Perhaps they need to follow the excellent example of the hunting community in how to respect the law and stick to what is written down."

Hahahaha! This, from the author of this:

http://www.hunting-directory.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1196865660

 

[Hebegebe]

ooo you stalker!

That's creepy!!!!

 

[combat_claire]

I'm not quite sure what your point is Zigzagzig - I was warning people that they must be clear with what they are saying - many older users go into a cracking anecdote they are re-telling only for it to sound as if their hunt is currently breaking the law.

Just remind me how many successful prosecutions there have been in England & Wales since 2005?? Just the one wasn't it...

 

[zigzagzig]

No, you're worried that people will incriminate themselves when describing hunting which is now banned.

Just out of interest, did you sign the Hunting Declaration?

 

[Hebegebe]

Not really. As long as they intend what they are doing not to be called hunting they can do what they like.

Isn't that what you are saying?

 

[combat_claire]

I think I am best placed to know what context that posting was written in, seeing as I was the one that actually wrote it. See there you go again making things up to suit your own argument, oh cyber stalker of mine!

I didn't start hunting until 2004, the declaration did the rounds in 2003 based on what we thought would transpire to be an outright ban. I signed it later on, but when the eventual act was passed it allowed for hunting activity to continue in some way, shape or form and penalties were not to be jail sentences anyway.

 

[zigzagzig]

Grown men and women resorting to subterfuge and whispers and looking over their shoulders while they break the law - all of this is rather childish, if not pathetic...

 

[Hebegebe]

Grown men and women resorting to subterfuge and whispers and looking over their shoulders while they break the law - all of this is rather childish, if not pathetic...

I didn't think they were breaking the law

 

[combat_claire]

I have explained the context in which that post was written and you still won't accept the facts, presumably because they do not fit your argument.

As you are well aware an individual hunt within the law can find themselves in a whole lot of trouble on the basis of something written on the internet. You have proved yourself in this very thread just how easy it is for the anti-hunting brigade to use something entirely out of context.

Talking of childish and pathetic, I'd say following me round the internet falls into that category. Most of us have better things to do with our time!

 

[Hebegebe]

Grown men and women resorting to subterfuge and whispers and looking over their shoulders while they break the law - all of this is rather childish, if not pathetic...

You can think that if you like but it's nothing compared to grown men spending their life following them around with gyrocopters. Those people are serious toss bags!

 

[zigzagzig]

Oh grow up. Referring to a single item you've posted elsewhere is hardly "following you round the internet". Don't flatter yourself.

 

[zigzagzig]

"You can think that if you like but it's nothing compared to grown men spending their life following them around with gyrocopters. Those people are serious toss bags!"

Now there I agree with you completely.

 

[Hebegebe]

"You can think that if you like but it's nothing compared to grown men spending their life following them around with gyrocopters. Those people are serious toss bags!"

Now there I agree with you completely.

and if as you say people can flush out and chase wild mammals with dogs for fun I really don't see why they would want to break the law anyhow.

 

[combat_claire]

I won't hold my breath waiting for you to admit that you were wrong in the slant that you put on my posting taken from Liam's.

 

[zigzagzig]

Ok, combat-claire, if you say that was your slant - and only you know if it really was - then I apologise.

 

[weebarney]

If they arent breaking the law then what does it matter what they write?

Its quite obvious to anyone who read it what the slant of your post was.

 

[Hebegebe]

Ok, combat-claire, if you say that was your slant - and only you know if it really was - then I apologise.

It's possibly worth bearing in mind as well that forums like Liam's are monitored by animal rights extremists.

 

[combat_claire]

Thank you

 

[combat_claire]

Because as I explained above, a reminiscence of an experience pre-ban posted in current times could easily and indeed has been used out of context in a legal case against their hunt, regardless of whether their pack was breaking the law or not.

I am impressed at your psychic abilities that you seem to know better than me what context that post was written in, considering that it was ME and not YOU who wrote it.

 

[weebarney]

if you are going to write it then people will read it, and it interpret it how it comes across, nothing to do with being psychic.

 

[hunterswind]

Up here in Scotland we are still hunting within the law and killing more foxes than ever due to the fact that we have people with shotguns waiting at flushing points. Who would have thought that the shooting community would have joined forces with the hunt prior to the ban ?

Everyone is a winner livestock owners, Shooting folk and the Hunts all get a great result thanks to M. Watson the guy who put the anti hunt bill through the Scottish Goverment and then was sent to jail for torching a hotel. Thats Labour for you !!!

 

[combat_claire]

My God you must be desperate for evidence of the Hunting Act being broken if you have to take to misinterpreting postings taken from a forum... :grin:

 

[weebarney]

My God you must be desperate for evidence of the Hunting Act being broken if you have to take to misinterpreting postings taken from a forum... :grin:

Ok darling whatever you say.