Poll pressure with a kimblewick?

[webble]

I am probably opening a can of worms here having read the debates about hanging cheeks and poll pressure Personally I don't think a hanging cheek has poll pressure and looking at a kimblewick (non slotted) I'm not sure that it would either - thoughts please?

I know it's not dressage legal I am just thinking out loud really

 

[Dave's Mam]

In my mind, it is to do with the position of the mouthpiece in relation to the reins. In a kimblewick, the reins are lower, causing rotation & therefore poll pressure.

 

[catkin]

it does have some, otherwise the curb wouldn't work. However it depends upon where the pony's head is in relation to the rider's hands - high head carriage and the rein slides to the bottom where there is some poll action, as the rein slides up towards the middle of the ring where the mouthpiece joins then there will not be leverage.
Have you ever tried one with the curb chain taken off - very interesting (on the right horse natch!)

Useful little bit for the right pony, but like all mouthgear - needs to be understood and used properly.

 

[Enfys]

Old thread I know, but I was browsing for something else and came across this.

Shanked bits (curbs) are a bit of a hobbyhorse of mine, I like curb bits, they are very subtle, and when the physics are understood, and used appropriately they are not the implements of torture they are often mistakenly believed to be.

The amount of poll pressure caused is directly linked to the length of the purchase (the part of the bit above the mouthpiece) and how tight the curb chain is. The tighter the chain, the less poll (and port) pressure is exerted because the chain against the lower jaw prevents the purchase from rotating.

A Kimblewick always used to be the go-to bit after a snaffle, and before a pelham (always with double reins), or bradoon and weymouth when I was a child (in fact, there didn't seem to be much of an option back then )

On a Kimblewick (as opposed to the Uxeter - slotted) because the rein slides there is not a great deal of pressure, it is quite a 'blunt' bit, as the whole point of a curb is to cue a trained horse via poll pressure to give, before the port and curb chain takes effect.

http://horses.about.com/od/choosingandusingtack/p/loosering2.htm