Poor Baby - Horse for sale
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palomino_pony
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AAAAArrrr poor lickle one. That a bit early isn't it? We nad a horse backed at 3 and a half because he was massive 17.2 WBx but that seems way too early
Haniki
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She's not exactly a light weight rider either!
kerilli
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that's terrible. i know he doesn't look weak, but still!
if only the RSPCA were any flipping use at all, we could call them and ask them to have a quiet word.
i knew someone years ago who broke and rode her coloured 2 yr old cob, and it ended up with a permanently dipped back, like an ancient horse.
if only the RSPCA were any flipping use at all, we could call them and ask them to have a quiet word.
i knew someone years ago who broke and rode her coloured 2 yr old cob, and it ended up with a permanently dipped back, like an ancient horse.
lexiedhb
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She's not exactly a light weight rider either!
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please tell me you are having a laugh???
I would say that girl weighs no more than 10 stone, which isnt exactly heavy!
However I do think no matter how strong ponio looks its still way to young, hopefully someone nice will buy him and turn him away for a year or so!!
She's not exactly a light weight rider either!
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please tell me you are having a laugh???
However I do think no matter how strong ponio looks its still way to young, hopefully someone nice will buy him and turn him away for a year or so!!
kerilli
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i think if the horse was 5 yrs old upwards, she could be twice that size and it wouldn't matter, but anyone who's going to ride something that isn't even 3 yet should be very lightweight tbh.
WoopsiiD
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did anyone read it?? PROFESSIONALLY 'broken' what kind of PRO does that??? Let me know so as I can be sure NOT to send my youngsters there! In this case I do believe that BROKEN is the right word. I bred and broke sec d's and no amount of Ebbw victor or Fronarth blood would encourage me to buy that horse. History has it that a horse broken so young will be damaged goods by 10. Just because its a Sec D doesnt make it any different to any other baby!!
spitchwick
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Their's not much that gets me angry these days, except breaking in youngsters too young. I'm appalled at the ignorance, these poor babies, their spines haven't fused properly and their definately not mature enough mentally to handle such rigures. I don't break my Highlands in until they are rising 5.
Tinker_Belle
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I had to turn my mare away for a year/18 months for exactly this reason!!!
She was fully broken by 2 & being ridden out at 2 & half.......
The result? She ended up with a very bad habit of getting her tongue over the bit because her mouth was too small to take the bt they had on her (thick eggbutt snaffle) & she now has to wear a hackamore for jumping as she gets strong or a disc bit to stop her getting her tongue over the bit.
I had to turn her away for a year, re break her slowly & have regular bouts of physio done on her back because as well as a slipped disc she had muscle damage as well.
She is an up to height registered NF. As a result of her breeder's carelessness & impatience she cannot be ridden by anything more than a petite adult/teenager or child.
Luckily I'm only 5ft & 6 stone so she is fine but it makes me so mad to see youngsters like this. It does so much damage & a lot of it is irreparable!!!!!
Even if it isn't physical damage there will more than likely be mental/schooling problems later on.
Poor little boy, hope he gets someone who knows what they're doing & turns him away for a year/18 months.
She was fully broken by 2 & being ridden out at 2 & half.......
The result? She ended up with a very bad habit of getting her tongue over the bit because her mouth was too small to take the bt they had on her (thick eggbutt snaffle) & she now has to wear a hackamore for jumping as she gets strong or a disc bit to stop her getting her tongue over the bit.
I had to turn her away for a year, re break her slowly & have regular bouts of physio done on her back because as well as a slipped disc she had muscle damage as well.
She is an up to height registered NF. As a result of her breeder's carelessness & impatience she cannot be ridden by anything more than a petite adult/teenager or child.
Luckily I'm only 5ft & 6 stone so she is fine but it makes me so mad to see youngsters like this. It does so much damage & a lot of it is irreparable!!!!!
Even if it isn't physical damage there will more than likely be mental/schooling problems later on.
Poor little boy, hope he gets someone who knows what they're doing & turns him away for a year/18 months.
glenruby
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Im afraid id rethink your physio Chestnut mare85 - horses dont have discs...
dunthing
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Horses do have intervertebral discs to separate and cushion the vertebra. All vertebrates have them.
the watcher
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Having read the replies without looking at the picture I was expecting to see something horrendous - and it really isn't.
Yes it has been backed young and could do with turning away for a while - but that looks like a nice young horse, and if I was looking for something like that I would jump at it.
Yes it has been backed young and could do with turning away for a while - but that looks like a nice young horse, and if I was looking for something like that I would jump at it.
Tiggy1
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Poor thing.
Thats way too young
Thats way too young
Honeypots
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I have no problems with horses being started this young but it does seem this little horse is doing far too much too soon...
Don't agree about the heavyweight rider either..looks fine to me as long as she can ride properly..
Don't agree about the heavyweight rider either..looks fine to me as long as she can ride properly..
Tinker_Belle
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Im afraid id rethink your physio Chestnut mare85 - horses dont have discs...
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As Dunthing said, they have intervertebral discs to cushion the vertebrae.....
Im afraid id rethink your physio Chestnut mare85 - horses dont have discs...
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As Dunthing said, they have intervertebral discs to cushion the vertebrae.....
Super_Kat
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She's not exactly a light weight rider either!
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Oh yes, she's huge isn't she......
She's not exactly a light weight rider either!
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Oh yes, she's huge isn't she......
glenruby
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I should rephrase, sorry, i wrote that in a hurry - horses do have intervertebraldiscs, but cannot get "slipped" discs. Have been taught so in college and also informed by USA acredited chiropractic vet that horses discs physically cannot "slip". Dogs of course can - in much the same way as humans do. Any physio or vet who uses such a term (and there are MANY) doesnt know what he or she is talking about. Unfortunately, horse people have been fed this rubbish for many, many years and most refuse to believe it ( I presume they dont want to believe that they have wasted good money on a non-existant d/o).
Sorry about my previous post - thinking faster than i was typing Im afraid!
Sorry about my previous post - thinking faster than i was typing Im afraid!
Haniki
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She's not exactly a light weight rider either!
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Sorry if I've offended anyone - I meant as Kerilli correctly took it - to be riding a very baby horse.
She's not exactly a light weight rider either!
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Sorry if I've offended anyone - I meant as Kerilli correctly took it - to be riding a very baby horse.
lexiedhb
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Dont think offence was taken, just the point is noone should be riding a horse that young.........and the woman riding it wasnt exactly big!!
moneypit1
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"LOOK" - its not a criticism on the horse itself, looks a lovely sort. I know how tempting it is to start them off, BUT, I do think that 2yrs 8mths is un-acceptable for the level this youngster is at. He must of been started several months before. I would not be looking for schooling as such at this age. For goodness sake, this is a baby that is shedding teeth, he could well do without the bit and rider. What is it "Watcher" that you think is ok? I'm going to stick my neck out and say that I would be very "ashamed" to admit to riding him this young.
lexiedhb
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erm....... I take it that wasnt a direct response to me moneypit!!?
moneypit1
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erm....... I take it that wasnt a direct response to me moneypit!!?
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God no, I agree with what you have said. Where did that confusion come from?? xx
erm....... I take it that wasnt a direct response to me moneypit!!?
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God no, I agree with what you have said. Where did that confusion come from?? xx
lexiedhb
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the joy of quick reply I think.... no harm done.....
there really are some impatient people in the world, breaking horses that young is just asking for trouble....... I just hope someone nice buys him and lobs him in a field for 18 months!!
there really are some impatient people in the world, breaking horses that young is just asking for trouble....... I just hope someone nice buys him and lobs him in a field for 18 months!!
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Donkeymad
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That is a very nice looking youngster. Sadly, these days, horses are broken younger and younger in this country, presumably following the states. I have see lots at 18 months broken to ride and drive.
the watcher
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1) I don't think the rider is too heavy for the horse
2) Nothing in those pictures suggests that the horse is being worked hard, or beyond a level that it can comfortably cope with
3) I might not choose to ride a horse of that age myself, however as long as it is trained, ridden lightly then turned away to grow on and consolidate the training it has received, there may be no harm done.
4) Obviously if they were jumping, doing lots of fast work or asking the horse to carry a heavy rider my view would be different - I see plenty of those on the Fugly site and it isn't nice.
So, in conclusion, this is no worse than thousands of TBs every year, but thankfully this horse is not being asked to race
2) Nothing in those pictures suggests that the horse is being worked hard, or beyond a level that it can comfortably cope with
3) I might not choose to ride a horse of that age myself, however as long as it is trained, ridden lightly then turned away to grow on and consolidate the training it has received, there may be no harm done.
4) Obviously if they were jumping, doing lots of fast work or asking the horse to carry a heavy rider my view would be different - I see plenty of those on the Fugly site and it isn't nice.
So, in conclusion, this is no worse than thousands of TBs every year, but thankfully this horse is not being asked to race
Shilasdair
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Well, I've got one a little older than this...who will be 3 in a couple of months..and is around 15.2 - 15.3hh at the moment, and I'm constantly besieged by people telling me I should have broken her already...if I don't get her doing the circuit (jumping x height, doing x dressage) by 4, then I'll have ruined/devalued her.
My other youngster will be 4yrs old in July, and I HAD planned to break her this spring....she's 16.3hh Shire x TB. I am not so sure now, though. She is a bit backwards for her age (orphan foal/neglected weanling when I bought her, then colic surgery last spring) so I'm now considering leaving her til autumn...she just doesn't look ready.
What do you all think?
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My other youngster will be 4yrs old in July, and I HAD planned to break her this spring....she's 16.3hh Shire x TB. I am not so sure now, though. She is a bit backwards for her age (orphan foal/neglected weanling when I bought her, then colic surgery last spring) so I'm now considering leaving her til autumn...she just doesn't look ready.
What do you all think?
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the watcher
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I think there is a world of difference between starting a horse off early, and exposing it to demanding competition early on. I know it happens, you only have to look at all those young warmbloods in Europe, but that would be a step too far for me.
Each horse will be ready at a different stage.
Each horse will be ready at a different stage.
Daisychain
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When i used to work in racing, the youngsters were broken at around 18mths/2yrs, i at first thought way to young, but to be honest they all turned out fine with no more problems than an older horse, and you actually make your horse have stronger denser bone by riding it at around 2 yrs, this is scientifically proven... so to be honest looking at this pony he looks a good strong sort and i wouldnt have a major problem with this.
Shilasdair
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I think there is a world of difference between starting a horse off early, and exposing it to demanding competition early on. I know it happens, you only have to look at all those young warmbloods in Europe, but that would be a step too far for me.
Each horse will be ready at a different stage.
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I suppose the question is whether I can stand all the advice (interference) regarding when I should break my two?
I didn't buy and break my TB until she was rising 5yo...and she's still sound at 19....whereas I know lots of young horses broken at 3 ish whose careers were curtailed by injury relatively early.
Ah, decisions, decisions.
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I think there is a world of difference between starting a horse off early, and exposing it to demanding competition early on. I know it happens, you only have to look at all those young warmbloods in Europe, but that would be a step too far for me.
Each horse will be ready at a different stage.
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I suppose the question is whether I can stand all the advice (interference) regarding when I should break my two?
I didn't buy and break my TB until she was rising 5yo...and she's still sound at 19....whereas I know lots of young horses broken at 3 ish whose careers were curtailed by injury relatively early.
Ah, decisions, decisions.
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Rocky01
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I think that probably being ridden at that age is wrong (even though the girl is slight and small). However I don't think that breaking them in and riding them at 3 is wrong if it is done carefully, for short stints at a time and with a rider who holds him/herself well when riding.
My plan at least with my boy (rising 2) is to start long-reining and lunging and doing shows this May (maybe a bit of long-reining in March depending on how ready he is) and give him 4 weeks holiday every so often throughout the summer until September and then turn him away with regular handling over the until January time (rising 3) when I'll start lunging and long-reining him ready for breaking in with a rider etc. when he is ready (physically and mentally) and not before. After that he'll have 4 weeks off (maybe with the occasional hack) and then we'll continue the cycle of training then holiday until he is 4 when he'll start working more. I don't know how that sounds to people, please let me know.
My plan at least with my boy (rising 2) is to start long-reining and lunging and doing shows this May (maybe a bit of long-reining in March depending on how ready he is) and give him 4 weeks holiday every so often throughout the summer until September and then turn him away with regular handling over the until January time (rising 3) when I'll start lunging and long-reining him ready for breaking in with a rider etc. when he is ready (physically and mentally) and not before. After that he'll have 4 weeks off (maybe with the occasional hack) and then we'll continue the cycle of training then holiday until he is 4 when he'll start working more. I don't know how that sounds to people, please let me know.