Position: has it changed? does it change?

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STrange question but still very confused!

Learnt more than 40 years' ago until 20 years' ago (gulp!). Came back to riding recently and then bought my own very lovely horse. Was told by my first instructor that I had a terrible kind of chair seat - legs too far forward, sat too far back. I used to be considered quite a good rider in my past! So I tried very hard to adjust.

Then got a lovely instructor - who has been very successful in dressage in the past and has a lifetime of teaching. She told me I sat too far forwards, stirrups too short and not to worry too much about my leg as it would come as my muscles improved. She thought I needed to sit down more as my horse is very spooky and I needed a deep seat.

My partnership with my horse was definitely improving but still feeling the need for work on my position so arranged for a series of lunge lessons at a big examination centre.

Immediately told to get my leg way way back, off the saddle and sit far forwards. Did loads of work standing in trot etc and eventually could balance well and instructor very pleased with my position. She wanted my stirrups up a couple of holes back to the original length.

Then after a couple of weeks' break had lesson on my horse with dressage/experienced instructor. Unfortunately this coincided with hunt meeting at my yard! My horse going bonkers - managed to stay on and work with him in a fairly tiring but educational way - but she said I would have found riding him forwards and sitting his bucks and rears much easier if my leg was farther forwards and I had longer stirrups and was sitting down on my seatbones properly, tucking bottom under me etc. I can see her point because my horse is prone to sudden 60 - 0 transitions and terrible spooks.

Has the position changed? Are they asking for different seats because coming from different disciplines? Is the best way somewhere between the two? The instructor who is very experienced and comes to the yard gets me and my horse working very well together.
 
I think there is to some degree a difference between the "sit in the perfect, pass exam" position and the ride effectively on the less than perfect horse position. In my mind it should be somewhere in the middle.
It is no good looking perfect and being unable to get the horse going correctly, the better the horse goes the better your position will be as it is easier to maintain.
You need to find your own comfort zone, I would not get too hung up on the correctness but find a secure seat that is working for you, long stirrups will not always work best with difficult horses if you are unable to reach them easily you are more likely to lose your balance.
I would stick with the person that gives you the most confidence and enjoy your riding without being too analytical.
 
I would expect to adopt a differnt seat out hunting than I would for flat / lunge type work... I would also sit differently on a misbehaving horse ;)

But there are certainly different schools of thought regarding the best position for dressage.
 
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but I fine it strange that after a lunge lesson, especialy focusing on leg exercises, that they asked you to shorter your stirrups again. As I've always been led to believe and always taught, these exercises help you relax and lengthen your leg adopting a more natural position.
Now its hard to say without seeing your position, but I would say stick with your freelance instructor. And always make sure they can explain why they want you to sit or do something a certain way!
Also remember it is susposed to be fun and not all work! :)
Hope that helps a little!
 
Not surprised that you are so confused. Get one instructor and stick with them for a while - they all may be trying to put you in the same place but with having different instructors you may be over correcting your position.

Your basic position should have you sitting in the centre and lowest part of your saddle, sitting on your seat bones. Your upper body should be verticle and tall, shoulders softly back and lower back under control, neither collapsed back (often happens when trying to sit on your seat bones) or hollowed which often happens when you try to sit up straight and tall.

Legs should be held so that you can draw a verticle line from your ear through your shoulder, hip and heel. Imagine what would happen if the horse was taken away - you should be able to stay standing. The instructor that had you doing standing trot sounds like the better one as to be able to do this you need your body in balance.

The length of your stirrup will currently be governed by your fitness level and also by the type of saddle you are riding in. A rider newly back to riding after a long break will need shorter stirrups until their muscles have adapted and strengthened. As you get fitter you will find you can ride longer.

When I first learnt to ride most saddles were of hunting type which pushed your legs far further forward as your legs ahead of you kept you more secure when hunting, modern saddles have the stirrup bar far further back encouraging your leg to be further under you.

Some photos from the past to the present.

In the 50's Note the position of the stirrup bars
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In the 60's in a GP saddle
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In the 90's in a dressage saddle
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Evelyn, looking at those I think my freelance instructor would be encouraging me into last position whereas I think the lunge lesson person is expecting my leg to be farther back. Maybe I will adopt somewhere in the middle. I have my last lunge lesson tomorrow.
 
ps I don't spend my life stressing about my position and we do have a very happy life together - me and my horse (except when the hunt are gathered in the yard and he is not included); but I would actually like to know what I am aiming at as I do want to improve. And to be given 2 very opposite instructions is fairly baffling.
 
Consider which instructor helped you most then stick with them, don't try to be too perfect too soon, enjoy riding again then tweak your position.
I have a dodgy hip and have to ride a bit longer and can't ride for longer than approx 90 mins but I so enjoy it, but then I am self taught and don't care what I look like on a horse
 
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