Pramox now or wait? Medium FEC

[Mary Anne]

Hello everyone.
Just after your views and what you would do.
I'm late in doing my FEC's. Came back today as medium counts for both boys.
Advise from worm count company is to worm now with ivermectin and then end of January with Pramox.
I know this is definitely what I'd have been doing if I'd been on time with my count a few weeks ago.
We are in the Highlands of Scotland, currently a week of frost and snow, due to be -8 tonight. Advise from agri supplier is to just go with the Pramox now. And I'm stuck on the fence

Lots of advise online and I know companies are now pushing to hold off a bit later for Pramox treatment but wondering if (with our colder conditions in general) should I just go for that now and if so just back to normal fec's in the spring.

Thank you

 

[meesha]

My 2 had a high egg count week ago was told no rush but use equest pramox, preferably after first frost. We've had low temps so have gone ahead, was told test again in March but as soo high going to test in couple weeks time.

 

[paddy555]

whatever you decide there is no way I would ever use Promox . far too risky

I would search on here for thread about it and the horses that have been ill or worse.

 

[Carrottom]

I would use equimax now to cover tapeworm as well. Then equest later in winter.

 

[Exasperated]

Moxidectin is powerful, active for a very long time in the gut, it can be debilitating and even lethal for (too) many horses - bitter experience.

 

[SEL]

Did you test for tapeworm as well?

If not I'd do the ivermectin then test for tape to see if you need normal Equest or Pramox

Moxidectin is powerful, active for a very long time in the gut, it can be debilitating and even lethal for (too) many horses - bitter experience.

Not much else does encysted redworm now though.

 

[Mary Anne]

Moxidectin is powerful, active for a very long time in the gut, it can be debilitating and even lethal for (too) many horses - bitter experience.

Sorry to hear that

 

[Fieldlife]

whatever you decide there is no way I would ever use Promox . far too risky

I would search on here for thread about it and the horses that have been ill or worse.

Even for healthy horses that have had pramox many times before with no issues?

Pramox is a strong combined set of drugs, I’d not give it to a horse that was

negatively impacted by changes diet / antibiotics / changes in forage etc the type everything affects

One with very sensitive feet, prone to LGL episodes

An unknown or VERY high count worm history

 

[Pinkvboots]

whatever you decide there is no way I would ever use Promox . far too risky

I would search on here for thread about it and the horses that have been ill or worse.

I won't use pramox either made my horse really ill and she was healthy and not compromised and a few others I've known have had side effects from it.

I especially wouldn't use on something that has a high worm count.

 

[paddy555]

Even for healthy horses that have had pramox many times before with no issues?

nope, no way whatsoever.

why risk it.

I always separate moxi and praz. Wouldn't give both together.

I did once tell a vet hospital this. They were surprised. It would save me having to think about it twice if I did it all at once. Sorry, need a better reason than that.

I think most people test for tapes in the autumn so if positive and needed why wait till mid Jan. If low then obviously not needed

Equest is very specifically mid Jan or so.

I did see one problem at first hand. A horse I used to trim. Barefoot and good feet. Fairly young and no evidence of PPID etc etc
Owner wanted to worm. I did explain pramox may not be a good choice for it's feet.
A while later she rang me. Horse very footsore, unrideable.
Can't make people listen. A couple of weeks later it had shoes on. Shame, it was a nice BF horse.

FL, Can you explain the advantage of Pramox?

 

[onemoretime]

whatever you decide there is no way I would ever use Promox . far too risky

I would search on here for thread about it and the horses that have been ill or worse.

Agree wiith this I wont use it.

 

[Mary Anne]

I did explain pramox may not be a good choice for it's feet.

That's interesting. Can I ask what the reasons would be?

 

[HopOnTrot]

Mine had a worm count of over 1000 and vet advised to worm 10 days after she got out of hospital (to let her stomach settle) so both of mine were wormed with (I think) equest paramox on Sunday.

 

[Fieldlife]

nope, no way whatsoever.

why risk it.

I always separate moxi and praz. Wouldn't give both together.

I did once tell a vet hospital this. They were surprised. It would save me having to think about it twice if I did it all at once. Sorry, need a better reason than that.

I think most people test for tapes in the autumn so if positive and needed why wait till mid Jan. If low then obviously not needed

Equest is very specifically mid Jan or so.

I did see one problem at first hand. A horse I used to trim. Barefoot and good feet. Fairly young and no evidence of PPID etc etc
Owner wanted to worm. I did explain pramox may not be a good choice for it's feet.
A while later she rang me. Horse very footsore, unrideable.
Can't make people listen. A couple of weeks later it had shoes on. Shame, it was a nice BF horse.

FL, Can you explain the advantage of Pramox?

I’ve got a working barefoot horse, i use pramox and have had no issues.

I used add gut support before and after but don’t anymore. Wouk’s do for antibiotics.

Years ago I used to use equest and equitape. But equitape discontinued.

What do you now use for tape alone? Double dose strongid P?

I worm count, and so far only worm for encysted and tape. I don’t tape count. I’ll keep worming as my horse regularly grazes away from home so isn’t in a closed system.

Main advantage of pramox is that it’s one wormer covering standard, encysted & tape. Which means if I bulk buy for my field neighbors (as worms spread if fields neighboring) they’ll all worm. Harder to get compliance with multiple wormers.

 

[Patterdale]

I used Pramox two years ago and one of mine became very ill afterwards.

So last year, I didn’t dare use it on anything.

Fast forward to 2 months ago, and one of mine had colic surgery, caused by encysted redworm damage.

So they have now all had or are having Pramox this year. Sadly nothing else treats encysted redworm and I can’t run the risk of one getting a high burden again.

 

[paddy555]

That's interesting. Can I ask what the reasons would be?

for me simply experience. I had been involved with barefoot horses for many years and had seen some get footy afterwards. Not all by any means but I simply see no reason to put it to the test.

 

[meleeka]

My vet says she's only ever seen one case of a horse being ill through Pramox and that was a youngster that had been accidentally overdosed . I've no reason to disbelieve her, so I've used it. Weirdly my old girl showed, who has very sensitive digestion and showed mild colic symptoms with Panacur Guard, is fine with Pramox.