Coffee_Bean
Well-Known Member
I've just bought one as my horse is stubborn and won't load. Has anyone had any experience with them-its a Richard Maxwell one.
Pressure halters...
- Thread starter Coffee_Bean
- Start date
Super_Kat
Well-Known Member
I have a be nice and have got many a naughty horse to load with it.
Coffee_Bean
Well-Known Member
[ QUOTE ]
I have a be nice and have got many a naughty horse to load with it.
[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah, after much rearing, spinning, heaving, shouting and tears we finally got her in to come home by using a friend's.
I have a be nice and have got many a naughty horse to load with it.
[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah, after much rearing, spinning, heaving, shouting and tears we finally got her in to come home by using a friend's.
Evadiva1514
Well-Known Member
Did you get a book or DVD with your halter?
Ive just bought a Dually Halter (MR) and it came with a really good DVD on how to 'school' your horse to the halter before dealing with any issues.
Hope you are both ok, its no fun when you have one thats not keen on loading.
Ive just bought a Dually Halter (MR) and it came with a really good DVD on how to 'school' your horse to the halter before dealing with any issues.
Hope you are both ok, its no fun when you have one thats not keen on loading.
Coffee_Bean
Well-Known Member
luckily i wasn't the one trying to get her in, but you're right its not fun. She almost went over at one point which really scared me. I've only just ordered it but it will come with a DVD
Evadiva1514
Well-Known Member
[ QUOTE ]
luckily i wasn't the one trying to get her in, but you're right its not fun. She almost went over at one point which really scared me.
[/ QUOTE ]
Ive been there before, my first horse was a little so and so to load and he got a lot better eventually. She will get there, im sure!!
luckily i wasn't the one trying to get her in, but you're right its not fun. She almost went over at one point which really scared me.
[/ QUOTE ]
Ive been there before, my first horse was a little so and so to load and he got a lot better eventually. She will get there, im sure!!
Coffee_Bean
Well-Known Member
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
luckily i wasn't the one trying to get her in, but you're right its not fun. She almost went over at one point which really scared me.
[/ QUOTE ]
Ive been there before, my first horse was a little so and so to load and he got a lot better eventually. She will get there, im sure!!
[/ QUOTE ]
Thanks, good to know i'm not alone
I hope she gets there otherwise its endurance rides (pleasure) showjumping, a bit of xc schooling and dressage out the window.
[ QUOTE ]
luckily i wasn't the one trying to get her in, but you're right its not fun. She almost went over at one point which really scared me.
[/ QUOTE ]
Ive been there before, my first horse was a little so and so to load and he got a lot better eventually. She will get there, im sure!!
[/ QUOTE ]
Thanks, good to know i'm not alone
the watcher
Well-Known Member
Yes, I was shown how to use one by somebody who was taught by Richard Maxwell..the release is more important than the pressure IMO..the pressure should be applied at the frst sign of resistance and released IMMEDIATELY there is any compliance. I used mine with immediate success on a reluctant loader today.
The key is to do the groundwork first, well away from loading and get the horse following you willingly and halting immediately...ideally you should get somebody to show you who has had some training..there are basics to understand...
You can never force a horse to load, you have to teach it to follow you willingly and without question
The key is to do the groundwork first, well away from loading and get the horse following you willingly and halting immediately...ideally you should get somebody to show you who has had some training..there are basics to understand...
You can never force a horse to load, you have to teach it to follow you willingly and without question
calon
Well-Known Member
i rate them very highley lots of sucess with them do some ground work first get him listening and aceoting then try the loading good luck
apkelly01
Well-Known Member
I've the be nice halter and have used it on my own horse as well as two difficult loaders.
[ QUOTE ]
Yeah, after much rearing, spinning, heaving, shouting and tears we finally got her in to come home by using a friend's.
[/ QUOTE ]
Please don't say you shouted at the horse!!! there shouldn't be a peep out of the handler until the horse reacts in a good way and then it is tons of rewards only - the halter is negative reenforcement enough. No shouting, hitting, whipping should be done while using the halter.
You have to get the timing of the release spot on, normally the horse will do it themselves as they walk towards you to release the presure and then you reward it with a pat and good girl/boy.
I agree with getting the groundwork done first so that horse understands what the halter is all about. Also watching someone who has successfully used the halter or a DVD about it would be good as well.
Good luck with your halter
[ QUOTE ]
Yeah, after much rearing, spinning, heaving, shouting and tears we finally got her in to come home by using a friend's.
[/ QUOTE ]
Please don't say you shouted at the horse!!! there shouldn't be a peep out of the handler until the horse reacts in a good way and then it is tons of rewards only - the halter is negative reenforcement enough. No shouting, hitting, whipping should be done while using the halter.
You have to get the timing of the release spot on, normally the horse will do it themselves as they walk towards you to release the presure and then you reward it with a pat and good girl/boy.
I agree with getting the groundwork done first so that horse understands what the halter is all about. Also watching someone who has successfully used the halter or a DVD about it would be good as well.
Good luck with your halter
Selkie
Well-Known Member
I had trouble loading my mare and tried different halters and a bridle. But I spend 6 hours one day with a long rope draped over the breast bar and I held the other end whilst at her side. I put no pressure on her just praised her if she took a step forward. It took six hours the first time day, 1.5 hours the next time 20 minutes the next time and she walked streight in after that. We have been doing short runs as she doesnt travel well, but so far so good.
rrose
Well-Known Member
i dont have the R.M well but i stil have one, and it works perfectly
the watcher
Well-Known Member
'Please don't say you shouted at the horse!!! there shouldn't be a peep out of the handler until the horse reacts in a good way and then it is tons of rewards only - the halter is negative reenforcement enough. No shouting, hitting, whipping should be done while using the halter. '
I agree with this, all shouting will do is frighten and confuse the horse. As a variation, for loading with problem cases I would have a whip...but would only ever expect to have to use it once to reinforce the direction I want the horse to go in (to deal with those who try to dodge around the side of the ramp)..after that it is put away
I agree with this, all shouting will do is frighten and confuse the horse. As a variation, for loading with problem cases I would have a whip...but would only ever expect to have to use it once to reinforce the direction I want the horse to go in (to deal with those who try to dodge around the side of the ramp)..after that it is put away
Coffee_Bean
Well-Known Member
We were sort of shouting when she was almost going over bacwards rearing. (Not whilst using the halter btw) We used a whip to tap her bottom to encourage her forwards, we NEVER smacked her.
mickey
Well-Known Member
I agree with the advice from the_watcher and a_kelly. Agree shouting is not helpful.
The key is that you apply the pressure when you need to get a positive response/movement from the horse. The second you get the desired response you must release the pressure. This is the horse's reward for responding. If you carry on applying pressure when you get the desired reaction (however small that reaction) then you are effectively carrying on the same application of pressure/discomfort despite a positive response from your horse. That will lead to confusion and possible dangerous behaviour.
I have a parelli halter and a dually. I prefer the parelli one as it works on the poll as well as the nose. But basically pressure halters all work from the same principle and are as effective as the person using them.
Would be great for you to get someone to give you a session to demonstrate the correct use (I had this first time I used one). Either that or a video like the others have said.
Your body language will also be key. I have seen people staring head-on into the face of their horse as they try to get it to move up the ramp. Facing a horse can be perceived as telling the horse to back away. You should face the direction in which you want to go.
Good luck. Let us know how it goes.
The key is that you apply the pressure when you need to get a positive response/movement from the horse. The second you get the desired response you must release the pressure. This is the horse's reward for responding. If you carry on applying pressure when you get the desired reaction (however small that reaction) then you are effectively carrying on the same application of pressure/discomfort despite a positive response from your horse. That will lead to confusion and possible dangerous behaviour.
I have a parelli halter and a dually. I prefer the parelli one as it works on the poll as well as the nose. But basically pressure halters all work from the same principle and are as effective as the person using them.
Would be great for you to get someone to give you a session to demonstrate the correct use (I had this first time I used one). Either that or a video like the others have said.
Your body language will also be key. I have seen people staring head-on into the face of their horse as they try to get it to move up the ramp. Facing a horse can be perceived as telling the horse to back away. You should face the direction in which you want to go.
Good luck. Let us know how it goes.