Pricing of Welsh Section D's...

[ChestnutMaree]

Sorry this is a 'how long is a piece of string' sort of question 😂 And I completely understand you can pay anything from £1000 to £10,000 for a Section D, maybe even more.

I'm looking at buying a 4yo Welsh Section D, probably not till the beginning of next year. Must be a gelding and must be around the 15hh mark. I'm wanting to buy unbroken to produce as an all rounder- bit of showing, jumping, hacking, cross country etc.
I am not looking for the next Nebo Black Magic so bloodlines aren't massively important.

So would like to hear what other people have paid for a similar type

 

[FfionWinnie]

Saw a rather nice 14.2 fitting that description advertised for 1500 the other day. Looked to be nicely started and a nice looking animal. I've never paid more than 1500 for a D and they've all been highly talented. (If a little Welsh!)

 

[AdorableAlice]

I bought mine, rather a lot of years ago admittedly, for £200 and had 26 years of 'Welsh' fun out of him. Read into that - fast forward, brave, genuine, somewhat bonkers and frightened the living daylights out of me on a regular basis.

You could get something at a very reasonable price if you looked at geldings in the 2 1/2 to 3 year old bracket with a view to buying in mid winter. They will still be at grass and not near breaking. When you get to 4 they may have had something done with them and the price will reflect this.

 

[ChestnutMaree]

Saw a rather nice 14.2 fitting that description advertised for 1500 the other day. Looked to be nicely started and a nice looking animal. I've never paid more than 1500 for a D and they've all been highly talented. (If a little Welsh!)

That's interesting, nice to know that not everyone pays the earth for a nice pony!!

 

[FfionWinnie]

I've only spent over 1.5k twice and bought an awful lot of cracking horses for that or less. Indeed the expensive ones have not performed as well or been as sound or lasted as long. Good luck finding a good one.

 

[ihatework]

Sorry to piggy back OP, but how easy to find are overheight D's, thinking circa 16hh? And if so how much does a decent, backed, version go for (thinking for dressage)

 

[ChestnutMaree]

I bought mine, rather a lot of years ago admittedly, for £200 and had 26 years of 'Welsh' fun out of him. Read into that - fast forward, brave, genuine, somewhat bonkers and frightened the living daylights out of me on a regular basis.

You could get something at a very reasonable price if you looked at geldings in the 2 1/2 to 3 year old bracket with a view to buying in mid winter. They will still be at grass and not near breaking. When you get to 4 they may have had something done with them and the price will reflect this.

Thankyou for the reply. I don't want to be buying something that's done a bit but isn't completely broken. Made that mistake with my last pony and it took nearly two years to get her right so don't want to be going down that route again aha. So I'd rather buy something that's not quite ready to start work. I think I'll look at 3 year olds.

I completely understand the 'welsh fun' you're talking about 😂 I had a section C for a couple of years and that was an experience and a half, it's all good fun!

 

[FfionWinnie]

I've rarely seen many 16hh ones for sale. I've had two 15.2 Palominos tho. Both were remarked on regularly by dressage bods for their paces as well. I'm 5ft8 and think they both looked big enough for me.

 

[catroo]

Sorry to piggy back OP, but how easy to find are overheight D's, thinking circa 16hh? And if so how much does a decent, backed, version go for (thinking for dressage)

The current trend seems to be going bigger and bigger as there isn't an upper height limit so I wouldn't think it would be to hard to find one at 16hh

 

[ChestnutMaree]

I've only spent over 1.5k twice and bought an awful lot of cracking horses for that or less. Indeed the expensive ones have not performed as well or been as sound or lasted as long. Good luck finding a good one.

Thankyou, we spent 2.5k on my first horse who had been there and done everything. Due to the amount of work he'd done he got arthritis in his hocks at 15 and now at 17 he's got it in his knees and is barely ridable so yeah I can relate to that! Fingers crossed that buying a 4yo will mean that doesn't happen again 🤞🏻😅

 

[be positive]

Sorry to piggy back OP, but how easy to find are overheight D's, thinking circa 16hh? And if so how much does a decent, backed, version go for (thinking for dressage)

Maesmynach stud breed big cobs, there are a few doing dressage and eventing so worth looking for their lines, no idea about prices other than they will probably be less than a warmblood and probably tougher, they have a 15.2 4year old available now but you may have to be quick if you are interested.

https://en-gb.facebook.com/maesmynachstud/

 

[DirectorFury]

Maesmynach stud breed big cobs, there are a few doing dressage and eventing so worth looking for their lines, no idea about prices other than they will probably be less than a warmblood and probably tougher, they have a 15.2 4year old available now but you may have to be quick if you are interested.

https://en-gb.facebook.com/maesmynachstud/

+1 to this - I've got a Maesmynach bred one (with a slightly different prefix though, happy to discuss my suspected reasons for this via PM) and she's absolutely cracking. Unfortunately her feet are awful and I've spoken to a few people who have had the same issue with those bloodlines - currently trying barefoot as a last resort. I paid £1000 for mine as a just-backed 3.5yo.
I also know of someone with a 16.2hh Maesmynach, he's got his own Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/dailystruggleswithshamu/

Photos of mine: [1] [2]

 

[Rosiejazzandpia]

If you're looking for unbroken and unspoilt youngsters it may be worth looking at the Four Seasons stud. Lots of welsh and welsh crosses for reasonable prices with some lovely looking youngsters for sale

 

[OldNag]

I had one with strong Maesmynach breeding. He was absolutely super. I would definitely have another.

 

[Crugeran Celt]

I bought mine 10 years ago and paid rather a lot for him but prices have dropped, saying that a well bred, well handled one could well cost £3000 plus. Not sure if area makes a big difference as well as I see some really cheap but then I wonder what is wrong with them.

 

[DabDab]

Have a look on dragon driving and you can see what they are advertised for - usually something matching your must haves is around 800-1500 unless an unusual colour (palominos, buckskins and jet blacks can often be advertised for considerably more)

 

[MotherOfChickens]

Sorry to piggy back OP, but how easy to find are overheight D's, thinking circa 16hh? And if so how much does a decent, backed, version go for (thinking for dressage)

IHW, if you are thinking of a Section D look at Meikle Welsh cobs. wont be as cheap as some but very well done and very sane, workmanlike Ds. happy to chat about them and Maesmynach if you like.

 

[Cobby93]

Maesmynach stud breed big cobs, there are a few doing dressage and eventing so worth looking for their lines, no idea about prices other than they will probably be less than a warmblood and probably tougher, they have a 15.2 4year old available now but you may have to be quick if you are interested.

https://en-gb.facebook.com/maesmynachstud/

I would vote for Maesmynach too if you're looking for a tall section D.

Just to note as well that there is no upper height limit for a section D, so while most people desire them to be under 15hh, taller cobs are still within the breed standard.

The October Cob Sales in Builth are coming up and would be the ideal place for you to have a look for an unbroken youngster. Some lovely horses pass through the sale.

 

[ester]

I'm yet to see a Maesmynach I've liked much tbh.
IHW I too have not seen many 16hh ones come up, (and frankly I still maintain I wouldn't want one), there was a very smart dxwarmblood I spotted the other day that I could have been tempted by though .

OP if not too fussed on bloodlines and wanting to make a nice allrounder I should think you could 1.5k tops if buying unbroken. - Though your issue might be sourcing one not broken as a 4yo, I think because people think them sharp they often seem to be at least started at 3, I'm not sure I've seen many 4yos being sold as unbroken - because it is essentially worth the money to break them before selling once they are that age so you might need to approach some studs /head to the sales

 

[Gallop_Away]

I paid £1500 for a then 4yo newly broken Section D Palomino mare, standing at around 14.2. Im in touch with her breeder who I know sells them unbroken for around £700. She has good welsh D breeding. Usual bloodlines; nebo, derwen, parc on her dams side. Sire is a nice cremello stallion with excellent competition records. Just to give you some background.

 

[Apercrumbie]

Larger Sec Ds often come with a price tag as they are quite popular for adults but still not that common. I'd also expect to pay £800-1500 for an unbroken one but more for a well put together broken one. Do keep an eye out for conformation too - many oversized (not officially I know) Sec Ds aren't best put together, including my own boy. It doesn't worry me but his conformation has resulted in him developing arthritis in an unusual place at 21.

 

[FfionWinnie]

Just to note as well that there is no upper height limit for a section D, so while most people desire them to be under 15hh, taller cobs are still within the breed standard.
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Do they?! I think everyone I know rather likes a bigger D otherwise they would get a big C instead!

 

[ester]

Nah they don't and I wouldn't want a big C

 

[Crugeran Celt]

There might not be a height limit but the bigger D's definitely lose some of the desirable characteristics of the breed. Saying that I tried a 16hh D before I bought mine and he felt more like a pony to ride than my 15hh D.

 

[ChestnutMaree]

Thankyou for all of your replies. The only reason I was looking for a 4yo was because I wanted something ready to start as I'm currently without a horse to ride and wouldn't want to buy a 3yo and start it before it was ready ��

 

[Crugeran Celt]

Thankyou for all of your replies. The only reason I was looking for a 4yo was because I wanted something ready to start as I'm currently without a horse to ride and wouldn't want to buy a 3yo and start it before it was ready ��

Sect d's are usually slow at maturing too.

 

[horsemadelsie]

Thankyou for all of your replies. The only reason I was looking for a 4yo was because I wanted something ready to start as I'm currently without a horse to ride and wouldn't want to buy a 3yo and start it before it was ready ��

I went looking for the same thing (well, any sort of cob type up to weight carrying, ended up with a sec D) but could find nothing unbacked at 4 years old! Ended up buying a rising 3 year old from the breeder for £900. Although I had to wait a while before doing much with him, it took us time to get to know each other, and at least I knew that he hadn't been badly backed, then sold as 'unbacked' to hide it. In the mean time I just 'borrowed' my mums horse to ride!

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

I also know of someone with a 16.2hh Maesmynach, he's got his own Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/dailystruggleswithshamu/

A 16.2hh section D?? Jeeeeeesus, now that's brave!

 

[Abi90]

A 16.2hh section D?? Jeeeeeesus, now that's brave!

I know that Section D, he's enormous! But lovely horse!

 

[wyrdsister]

It could be worth a call to the Murrayhall Stud. Their website is never up to date. They breed some truly cracking Ds, though. Mine is from there. 15.2/3 and the most incredibly sane, straightforward, talented lady. She's a bit of an oddity for them as she's pigeon-toed (none of the others are and it's not in the lines) but I wouldn't have been able to afford her otherwise! She's a HOYS stamp in every other respect. They have other youngstock sometimes and don't do too much too young. Mine was untouched bar the odd trim and a brush at 3, so a blank canvas but very friendly and sociable. I'd go to them again if I was looking for a nice Welsh.