Prisons too full for paedophile

[Sooty]

Well bang go John Reid's leadership chances, although the damage has really been done by previous Home Secretaries. A judge has sent a man convicted of downloading child pornography home, back to the wife that shopped him. I have mixed feelings about this. A bit like downgrading the drug category for cannabis, it seems to send out a strange message about child porn. I suspect the prisons are still holding prisoners for white collar crime - surely these would be less of a threat if loose in the community? At the same time, would sending this man to prison actually accomplish anything, other than to have him shut away with similar men who may possibly make his behaviour worse? As we are told paedophiles cannot help their behaviour, would it not be better to treat the problem rather than imprison the man? Either way, it is a shining example of how well New Labour are managing the country.

 

[vicster]

I know i saw that this morning and i thought what the hell have they let him go for - what if in a few months he decides he wants to take things further and hurts a child - well we will know who to balme won't we....

 

[SSM]

I have only one thought - castration

 

[jacks_mum]

it seems to me that 'money' based crimes like fraud are more serious to our legal system than crimes against the person are.

just an observation.

 

[RLF]

at least his face has been plasterd all over the news, i hope he gets s**t from all the locals sick b*****d

 

[spaniel]

Im totally exasperated by the whole government at the moment Sooty.

It seems like everyday we get another announcement about another initiative whcih is supposed to tackle a major issue. When you stand back and look at the problems and then analyse the proposed solutions its totally laughable.

It seems to me that this government has lost sight of reality in a big way. Its slowly disappearing up its own wotsit.

 

[HBII]

Bloody Country.

Yes Mr. Im a member of Parliament Ill have a new door sign that costs too fcuking much - but I wont allow a budget for building new prisons!

The countries population is expanding, therefore in a striaghtforward working out method the number of good people will increase and so too will the number of bad people - therefore maybe we could build some more prisons?!

Sorry I havent asnwered the question there - Its a bloody disgrace they are all banging on about how serious it is and then they let one free

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[flying_change]

Well, I have to stand up and say..... my name is F_C and.... I.... used to think that Tony Blair was a good PM.

True, inflation isnt the problem that it was.

But TBH they've had 10 years, and they've not yet achieved the aim of joined-up government. And so many things have been mishandled - eg immigration, prisons, Iraq. They've run out of steam. I cant believe that there are initiatives for casinos and for longer drinking hours. So, it's time for a change.

 

[flying_change]

Lets see some prison ships and military camps put into use to detain prisoners right now !

 

[spaniel]

Bung em all in the Marines.

(sorry knee jerk reaction of my step fathers!)

But you are right FC, you have to try very hard to come up with an achievement......erm.........

bear with me.......

maybe after lunch

 

[Gingernags]

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But you are right FC, you have to try very hard to come up with an achievement......erm.........

bear with me.......

maybe after lunch

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Well they DID ban hunting!

We have too many prisoners in prison, "lost" immigrants who should have been deported as they are dangerous and have committed crime, possibly paedos and murderers working in our schools as their crimes overseas weren't passed on, some drugs being withheld that would save lives/prolong the quality of lives (cancer and alzheimers ones) and cash for honours scandals etc etc....

Its not as if they've dealt with one of the least important things first is it? I mean who cares about that little list of stuff? As long as we aren't killing foxes... oh wait, we are, the act they brought in doesn't really work... who'd have thought it?

 

[flying_change]

Problem is, seems like none of the pronouncements and policies have been thought through.

"Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" was a slogan at one point.... trouble is, seems like no-one thought of the effect of implementing this on prison population.

We're all used to thinking of the UK as a world power.... we have soldiers doing peace-keeping roles in many countries, not to also speak of Iraq and Afghanistan. I begin to wonder if we should stop thinking of ourselves as a world power and world policeman, shrink our armed services, and use the money saved to look after ourselves for a change.

 

[Gingernags]

Well lets face it, every other country does! The US would drop us like hot sh!t if it ever affected them in a bad way!

You only have to look at some of our European neighbours to realise they do as they please regardless of EU laws and rulings, and the only suckers dumb enough to enforce the beaurocracy and red tape and waste money on it and be screwed out of our rights, are the british!

No way would the French or Germans put up with the cak we do!

We used to have a mighty empire and were the envy of the world, now we seemt o be a laughing stock and dumping ground.

Quite frankly I think this government has no balls and never has the guts to do the right thing.

Much as a lot hated her, at least Maggie had an iron pair! She didn't get walked all over like Mr B Liar...


And much as I'm not a labour voter, I was actually quite warming to John Reid rather than Gordon Brown (who makes my flesh creep), but they've given him the poisoned chalice haven't they? Very useful removing the opposition like that...

 

[cosmo_sam]

I personally think the issue here is the judge's blatant abuse of a government announcement to protect a peodophile!

It seems that all too often these monsters are let off lightly and on the say so of a judge!!

I've always had an inkling that there must me quite alot of judges involved in peodophile rings, and this just proves my thought IMO!

It is known that these "things" band together and form societies to protect each other, as they never know when the may need help from one another.

It's about time someone began studying child sex crime verdicts/sentences and started investigating the lenient judges!!

 

[Sooty]

Have just heard that a judge in Exeter has released a paedophile, who has actually abused children, back into the community to await sentencing as that is how this particular judge has interpreted the government instruction to only jail dangerous criminals. Which brings me to my next question - what do you have to do to be considered dangerous???

 

[HBII]

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Which brings me to my next question - what do you have to do to be considered dangerous???

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Dont pay your council tax

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[Sooty]

Ha! That is so true.

 

[Gingernags]

The judges are being utter b*stards and waving 2 fingers at the Home Secretary telling them what to do.

Of course they are dangerous, paeodos always are as they don't think they are doing anything wrong. This was aimed at not jailing minor offenders and they are deliberatley misinterpreting it as lets face it, paedos and kids will make the biggest headlines!

 

[Christmas_Kate]

The problem with the country as a whole seems to be the lack of effort in the first place to keep young teens from committing crime.
Not enough money is injected into social services, into communities, into schools etc, to educate and prevent drug abuse etc.
This ends with prisons being full of terrified 18 yr old addicts, and paedophiles being set free......


Tackle the problem of the category C & D prisoners first and make more room in prisons.

 

[Puppy]

I don't understand how Labour are able to boast that serious crime has been dropping under their government and yet the prisons have never been so full........?!

 

[Puppy]

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I personally think the issue here is the judge's blatant abuse of a government announcement to protect a peodophile!

It seems that all too often these monsters are let off lightly and on the say so of a judge!!

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What a load of rubbish - this isn't an "abuse of power"; this judge didn't want to let this man free, more like his hand are tied due to the dreadful state of the government.


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I've always had an inkling that there must me quite alot of judges involved in peodophile rings, and this just proves my thought IMO!

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What a ridiculous, ignorant, foolish and defamatory suggestion!!

Exactly what gave you that inkling?? How is this is the slightest bit "proof" of such an idea?!


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It is known that these "things" band together and form societies to protect each other, as they never know when the may need help from one another.

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Again - have you got some genuine proof of such an statement?!

By which I mean, other than reading it in some cruddy newspaper...!

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It's about time someone began studying child sex crime verdicts/sentences and started investigating the lenient judges!!

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Yes, wouldn't that be a great way to waste more public money!

Do you have any idea how one becomes a judge?! These people are scrutinised a lot already - trust me!

 

[cosmo_sam]

I have formed my own opinion following various cases - and not from cruddy newspapers.

Of course I am aware how "one" becomes a judge, having studied politics a level and from having eyes and ears.

It will never make sense to me how a man who had imprisoned a boy for days and raped him until he died, can get 8 years but someone who killed a man in a drunken brawl may get a similar sentence.

There is clearly some sort of leniency going on for this sort of crime, and if it is not due to peopdophile ring influences, then what is it?

 

[weevil]

Erm, I haven't done politics A level so excuse my ignorance but are you sure that judges are not answerable to anyone and have free rein to impose whatever sentences they like???

 

[Puppy]

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I have formed my own opinion following various cases - and not from cruddy newspapers.

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I asked what proof you had of such a statement. How is your opinion, or you following a few cases proof?

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Of course I am aware how "one" becomes a judge, having studied politics a level and from having eyes and ears.

It will never make sense to me how a man who had imprisoned a boy for days and raped him until he died, can get 8 years but someone who killed a man in a drunken brawl may get a similar sentence.

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So you've studied A level politics and yet you are unaware of how judges' hands are tied by governmental policies?! Or sentencing guidelines...?!

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There is clearly some sort of leniency going on for this sort of crime, and if it is not due to peopdophile ring influences, then what is it?

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As I said above, governmental policies and sentencing guidelines. I don't see how on earth you make the jump from faults in the system to make defamatory allegations about judges being paedophiles....

 

[Christmas_Kate]

well said Puppy. The sad fact is that Judges hands are tied, so much red tape.
IMO saying that judges are all paedos is like saying all horse riders are posh toffs. A load of rubbish, coming from the mouths of narrow minded people.
The problem is with the goverment, NOT the courts.

 

[Puppy]

FYI:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article2190029.ece