Problem colt and rigcalm /Angus castus

Then if your not bothered about getting him to interact with a field buddy I see nothing wrong with having him interact with the geldings through the stable bars as he is already doing and keeping him turned out on his own so he doesn't get bites/kicks etc.
For what it's worth mine didn't get a mark on them when turned out with grumpy pants but I understand you don't want to risk his showing career.
To be honest if I were you I would just toughen up with him. Work on getting him used to being handled around mares don't shy away and hide him from them. Yep he may throw a few toys out the pram but having a stallion also means having the responsibility of ensuring he's got the temperament to behave in company and not put others in danger.
Sorry if I've totally missed the point if your post!
 
My bad I've just re read about it being when he's stabled and getting wound up with the mares.
Stupid question but were they in season? You said he's ok to handle in hand around mares?
 
Bigbenji said:
Then if your not bothered about getting him to interact with a field buddy I see nothing wrong with having him interact with the geldings through the stable bars as he is already doing and keeping him turned out on his own so he doesn't get bites/kicks etc.
For what it's worth mine didn't get a mark on them when turned out with grumpy pants but I understand you don't want to risk his showing career.
To be honest if I were you I would just toughen up with him. Work on getting him used to being handled around mares don't shy away and hide him from them. Yep he may throw a few toys out the pram but having a stallion also means having the responsibility of ensuring he's got the temperament to behave in company and not put others in danger.
Sorry if I've totally missed the point if your post!
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Your the only one whos "got my point of the post" hes happy enough out on his own he sticks his head down and grazes and is out most of the day. Your right i need to just put him out with a mare and let him learn !! Like i said previous he couldn't even tell male from female when he first came , and i don't think he realises that mares need to be in season otherwise hes going to get battered!
 
Bigbenji said:
My bad I've just re read about it being when he's stabled and getting wound up with the mares.
Stupid question but were they in season? You said he's ok to handle in hand around mares?
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No none are in season, just in general ! He will walk past one if a mare is tied up outside and to be fair i can go pretty close and he will walk past , yeah he jogs and nickers but very manageable. Its for instance if mares are being turned out or are tied up and hes in his stable thats when he kicks up the fuss.
 
For what its worth One of mine went through being a bit of a tit at two. Pm me if you want to ask anything about handling as I now have two very well mannered chaps so there is hope ;)
Can't help advise on calmers or anything I'm afraid.
The good and bad thing about the welsh D's is how sensitive they can be. I'm sure once you get him a bit more on your side you will get a great partnership with him.
O and one of mine will Winnie to geldings over mares any day!
 
justabob said:
What is his breeding? Who produced him for showing? Tiny picture but he looks very nice.
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Thank you. He only went out once this year and that was to royal welsh, he's Nebo, Cascob and trevallion bred from lots of the old fashioned breeding, thats why i liked him so much .
 
Thank you so much , i have sent Pm. I'm hoping he's just at a terrible twos stage. Im sure ill get there i always seem to get the challanges never get easy ones , but i get there in the end:rolleyes:
 
I am going to be blunt here, but if you have to ask about calmers, you can't manage an entire. Welsh sec D Stallions are easy to handle on the whole. Calmers will not make a jot of difference.
 
justabob said:
. Welsh sec D Stallions are easy to handle on the whole. Calmers will not make a jot of difference.
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I have to chuckle at this. My two were so quiet when freezemarked they got logged as geldings! Poor woman when I told her but did chuckle at missing there big plums!
 
I got it i Pm'd you back. What people aren't seem to be getting is this horse has been allowed to have all his own way obviously from day 1 ! Something i'm now trying to put right! Any colts we have as foals are nothing like this!! Bet i don't post again on here for advice in any hurry !! Thank you for your helpful advice Bigbenji greatly appreciated .
 
OK, he has nice breeding, get someone to produce and show him for you. You have a long time to wait until you can show him under saddle and he will get more bolshy as he gets older. I would geld him, but if you can get a good person to show him in hand as a colt then go for it. If on the other hand you want to show under saddle, geld him, you will have a stunning gelding and you might do very well at the Royal Welsh ridden class. I know which option I would go for. Lots of top stallions out there with well known faces at the end of the rope. Not many lovely geldings under saddle.... yours could be.
 
Welshylady said:
I got it i Pm'd you back. What people aren't seem to be getting is this horse has been allowed to have all his own way obviously from day 1 ! Something i'm now trying to put right! Any colts we have as foals are nothing like this!! Bet i don't post again on here for advice in any hurry !! Thank you for your helpful advice Bigbenji greatly appreciated .
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Bet I don't waste time advising you again in a hurry with that attitude either.
 
No i wasn't meaning you Justabob i mean earlier posts. I totally agree with what your saying if hes no better by autumn next year i will geld him before hes due to go out under saddle the following spring. I just feel he deserves a chance to be put right.
 
Hope it goes well for you. Sorry I bit your head off! He is I am certain a lovely horse. Keep me updated about his progress and if I can help at all I will. Good luck xx
 
amymay said:
I'd geld him. There are plenty of ponies like him gping through the sales ring every week selling for a few quid.

It will also give him the chance to lead a normal life with other horses.
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Sorry OP, no useful advice re supplEments, but just wanted to say that if there are many Ds that have been placed RWAS going through the sales ring for 'a few quid' please let me know here as I'll have 10!!

Good luck with your lovely colt, I'm sure all will be well in the end.
 
This is a long shot, but my vet said recently that the Suprelorin implant which acts as a temporary chemical castrator (think suppresses testosterone production?) is about to be/already is licensed for use in equines. Lasts 6 months. Is used widely in dogs and zoo animals, that's all I know. Fertility is restored when the implant has worn off.
 
OP, I know you have experience with another stallion, but they vary and there are many tales of people having one stallion that was easy and then finding out that others aren't quite the same.

I think that if you want to keep him entire, you don't need supplements, but advice and help from someone who has had difficult colts to train and can point you in the right direction. He can't be too bad if you took him to the Royal Welsh and he was placed.

Have you thought of an Intelligent Horsemanship person? Or contact a local welsh stud and ask the trainer/producer.
 
I don't think he will be difficult at all, he is just a 2 year old colt, no more no less. I don't think that you really have the experience to manage him TBH. What is his prefix? What stud bred him?
 
I do agree with Justabob tbh. He's only 2 years old, how bad can he be and is it necessary to temporarily chemically castrate him? Seems terribly OTT to me. Either just handle the colt properly or have him gelded.
 
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