Protexin, Gastroguard, or anything else?

[auntienutnut]

Hello

I would like to try my horse on something to see if there is any improvement on his way of going being I decide to scope or not.

Was going to try Protexin or Gastroguard, if you have tried either did you see a difference?

TIA

 

[be positive]

You need a prescription for gastrogard and the cost is fairly prohibitive, if the horse has ulcers then it will be worth it and usually covered by insurance if they are scoped first, the cost of scoping, if you really think the horse may have ulcers, is not excessive, the cost of all the supplements you may try and find ineffective soon adds up so it may be best to speak to your vet and see if scoping is the best option.

 

[Goldenstar]

I would scope first too because if you have ulcers in the part of the stomach where the exit to the bowel it's best to give antibiotics as well as gastro guard .
The first generic gastrogard type drugs are on sale now so check with your vet they are prescribing the cheapest option .
If the horse has ulcers you need then to try to work out why it's my experience they are almost always secondary to something else .

 

[PorkChop]

I don't think Protexin will do a lot if he does have ulcers, if you really don't want to scope straight away then a month on Omeprazole would give you a strong indication.

Many people order from Abler, they do tablets, granules or paste.

 

[Kat]

EGUSIN SLH might be worth a try

 

[Goldenstar]

EGUSIN SLH might be worth a try

Yes it might , but it's all expense and if it's not ulcers it's a waste of money.

 

[rara007]

Scope- it'll save you money and stress in the long term knowing for sure.

 

[Dusty85]

If you have enough reason to suspect Ulcers, scope first, if you're not really sure, but want to try something, try equine america Ulser Guard.

 

[applecart14]

If you don't want to go down the scope route for whatever reason you could try slippery elm to see if this makes a difference. It mixes with the water in the gut and turns into gel (called a mucilage) which then coats the stomach lining and prevents acid splash. You have to be careful because some medicines that are absorbed through the stomach wall will not be effective as they cannot be absorbed as easily by the body.

Slippery elm has been around for centuries and is a herbal treatment. It can be bought of ebay for a minimal cost and just mixed into the horses feed on a daily basis.

 

[booandellie]

How much slippery elm do you feed applecart? I have been looking in to trying that for my mare that has had treatment for ulcers and have found the feedmark one expensive. Are you talking on ebay of slippery elm for horses or for human use?

 

[applecart14]

How much slippery elm do you feed applecart? I have been looking in to trying that for my mare that has had treatment for ulcers and have found the feedmark one expensive. Are you talking on ebay of slippery elm for horses or for human use?

HI BooandEllie, Sorry for the long reply! Unfortunately I can't find the link to the person I used to use as I can't access ebay at work (firewall prevents us) but the following link on Amazon which I can get onto is the same person I used to use on ebay. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alchemists-...39275915&sr=8-13&keywords=slippery+elm+powder.

From memory I think I used a couple of teaspoons in each feed, so four teaspoons a day for the first week then one teaspoon twice a day thereon.It was good stuff and the horse didn't seem to mind the smell (slightly curry type of smell). My vet used to take the p*ss out of me and call it 'Sticky Oak' and didn't seem to rate it but my dad used to use it on himself and my grandad and his dad before him and you can buy it from certain horse feed manufacturers.

Heres what one manufacturer says about it:

Slippery elm for horses provides essential and effective support for the delicate digestive system of the horse. Unlike other compounds used for gut health, it does not have a negative effect on your horse’s digestive system in the long run. Slippery elm prompts the horse’s intestinal tract to increase its own mucus secretion - which is what is believed to support the gastrointestinal tract.

You can also mix slippery elm with water to make a poultice to soothe and calm body tissues or aid natural healing of wounds, and it may also provide support to the respiratory system.


Slippery elm has no known side effects or toxicity even if it is used long-term. No adverse reactions have been reported if slippery elm is taken alongside treatments - although it may slow down the absorption of other drugs or herbs because of the way it coats the digestive tract.


Slippery elm contains:

•Substances derived from the inner bark of the slippery elm tree which contains mucilage - a substance that becomes a gel when it combines with liquid. It coats and soothes the intestines and contains antioxidants that help support good gastrointestinal health.
Feed to:
•Support gastric health and aid natural healing of the bowel


Equine nutritionists rate slippery elm powder highly for its ability to support a horse’s delicate digestive system.

The slippery elm is a tree that is native to North America. The inner bark of the slippery elm has a high nutritional value and is ground into a fine light-coloured powder. The cheaper, astringent outer bark of the slippery elm is much darker and will not provide the same benefits to your horse.

The inner bark contains mucilage, a substance that becomes a gel when it combines with liquid. It coats and soothes the intestines and contains antioxidants that help support a healthy bowel.

Slippery elm for horses UK can be used to support a healthy stomach in horses prone to ulcers. Ulcers are a sad fact of life for many performance horses, and slippery elm is a very useful herb in these cases. Tradition treatments for stomach ulcers may have a negative effect on your horse’s digestive system in the long run because they interfere with the normal workings of a horse’s stomach acid - even if they do give faster relief in the short-term. They can also be an expensive option.

Slippery elm supports the horse’s intestinal tract in its own mucus secretion - which is what protects the gastrointestinal tract against ulcers and excess acidity.

It has a high fibre content too which is also highly beneficial to the complex and sensitive digestive tracts of the horse.

Slippery elm for horses supports healthy gut function and is able to regulate intestinal bacteria - which promotes good general digestive health.

It can be used, along with a tea made from chamomile flower, to support horses affected by sloppy droppings by soothing the lining of the gastrointestinal tract.

You can also mix slippery elm with water to make a poultice to soothe skin or promote natural healing of a wound.

So far, slippery elm powder for horses has no known side effects or toxicity even if it is taken or used long-term. No adverse reactions have been reported if slippery elm is taken alongside other treatments - although it may slow down the absorption of other drugs or herbs because of the way it coats the digestive tract.

 

[Fuzzypuff]

I would go for Equine Science Gastro Plus, worked far better on my horse than Gastrogard or anything else I tried (Egusin, Succeed, GNF, Protexin...). Having had 2 horses scoped at different times I wouldn't do it again. It will only show ulcers and not hindgut problems and in my experience there is always something more than just the ulcers.

You could also try mycosorb which I have had a lot of success with for my horse where I was scratching my head wondering what it was if not ulcers etc. Cheap to try for starters too, you can get some on Ebay for about £15. More info on why mycosorb: http://www.calmhealthyhorses.com/grass/moulds.html I will never not feed it to any horse now.

 

[booandellie]

Thankyou applecart for taking the time to reply with all that info, i will certainly try and get some from that supplier as a lot of people on the forum seem to reccomend it _ not sure if she will like the curry like taste as she is very fussy but hey ho it is worth a try!!

 

[applecart14]

Thankyou applecart for taking the time to reply with all that info, i will certainly try and get some from that supplier as a lot of people on the forum seem to reccomend it _ not sure if she will like the curry like taste as she is very fussy but hey ho it is worth a try!!

Your welcome. If she is a fussy feeder you could try dissolving a couple of strong mints in a mug of boiling water and once dissolved add this to the feed along with the slippery elm. Although in my experience the more you add to a feed in order to disguise a taste the more the horse is aware there is something you are trying to hide!

 

[JoClark]

I would say scope or abler.
Slippery elm may be good once the potential ulcers are treated.

I assume feeds low starch/sugars, ad lib hay, tack, teeth, back etc been checked.

A lady at my new yard was having problems with her horse, I was there and said have you looked at potential ulcers, she hasn't thought about them, was uming and ahring but got him scoped today, he was covered in grade 5 ulcers. She's relieved they've found something but gutted he had to live with them.
Hence I would say scope.

 

[KayeT]

I would go for Equine Science Gastro Plus, worked far better on my horse than Gastrogard or anything else I tried (Egusin, Succeed, GNF, Protexin...). Having had 2 horses scoped at different times I wouldn't do it again. It will only show ulcers and not hindgut problems and in my experience there is always something more than just the ulcers.

You could also try mycosorb which I have had a lot of success with for my horse where I was scratching my head wondering what it was if not ulcers etc. Cheap to try for starters too, you can get some on Ebay for about £15. More info on why mycosorb: http://www.calmhealthyhorses.com/grass/moulds.html I will never not feed it to any horse now.

Hi can you get equine science gastro plus in the Uk

 

[KayeT]

Hi can you get equine science gastro plus in the Uk

 

[Pinkvboots]

Hi can you get equine science gastro plus in the Uk

This thread is from 2015 I doubt you will get an answer start a new thread asking the question you want answered, many people don't look further once they realise it's old.