PSD ligament injurys

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Is there anything I can do (appart from following the vets advise) to give me the best chance of this ligament healing with shockwave. Im open to any ideas however odd, Magnets are probably a good start.

Many thanks
 
Dab said:
Somebody mentioned MSM powered before, for stronger ligament etc.

I'd be very interested to hear of anything else as well.
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I'm interested as well, anybody know anything more about MSM?
We're 9 months into a suspensory ligament injury so I know where your coming from:rolleyes:
 
My mare was diagnosed with hind limb psld last October. As she doesn't do box rest at all - it would be dangerous, I turned her out during the day and in at night - yes she had a few mental moments, but we went for the scan a few weeks ago and it has healed - we've been walking out on the long-reins and I got back on for the first time at weekend. We'll spend the summer doing short hacks and then I might take her for the ligament to be scanned again to see where we're up to.
I feed her a glucosamine and MSM supplement, but I have no idea whether it does any good or not!
 
I used magnet wraps, Stable bandages and fed Glucosamine & MSM suppliment. Used a lot of snack balls with grass nuts in to keep her amused whilst on box rest.
 
Holidays_are_coming said:
Holly hocks did she have shock wave or anything??? They haven't suggested box rest just that she is not allowed to gallop around
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Yes she had shockwave, although I don't know whether it did any good. They believe that it is a chronic condition that she has from her racing days :(

They asked me to keep her in a small paddock so that she couldn't gallop round, but the problem with that was if she were to see the other horses go over the hill, she would have galloped round her small paddock and injured herself more. So my vet agreed that it would be better for her if she just went out as usual. As it was, over winter we only got to turn out for a couple of hours anyway for most of the time as the weather was so wet, so it sort of worked in our favour. As it was, my horse was diagnosed with navicular, bilateral spavin and arthritis of the fetlock as well, so she will never return to full work anyway - the best she will be is a hack.
 
Forgot to add - I also use magnetic wraps on her back legs when she is in the stable - again they probably do absolutely nothing, but when you're all out of ideas, anything is worth a go!
 
This is the list of things I did for mine :)

He had 3 treatments of shockwave

Box rested/in a small turnout paddock for 6 months - paddock was 10 x10m max.

Magnetic boots on every day - not left on overnight

Magnetic rug on overnight - to help with related sacro iliac issues, common with PSD

Fed Topspec 10:10 joint supplement

Walked in hand for 2 weeks, then ridden in walk for 10 mins, increasing by 5 mins a week until 30 mins, then another vet visit, then introducing trot work. He is currently out 24/7 and I'm up to 10mins of canter work

Sprayed his gums twice a day with a rustox, arnica, and ruta grav herbal supplement from crossgates - he didn't mind this if followed up by a treat! ;)

He still has days when he seems lame a few steps, but I feel that this is because he still sometimes isn't working properly (when out in field).

I'm hoping he's on the road th recovery now, and once I'm up to 20mins canter work and sound, I'll be introducing jumping again, fingers crossed! :)
 
Stencilface said:
This is the list of things I did for mine :)

He had 3 treatments of shockwave

Box rested/in a small turnout paddock for 6 months - paddock was 10 x10m max.

Magnetic boots on every day - not left on overnight

Magnetic rug on overnight - to help with related sacro iliac issues, common with PSD

Fed Topspec 10:10 joint supplement

Walked in hand for 2 weeks, then ridden in walk for 10 mins, increasing by 5 mins a week until 30 mins, then another vet visit, then introducing trot work. He is currently out 24/7 and I'm up to 10mins of canter work

Sprayed his gums twice a day with a rustox, arnica, and ruta grav herbal supplement from crossgates - he didn't mind this if followed up by a treat! ;)

He still has days when he seems lame a few steps, but I feel that this is because he still sometimes isn't working properly (when out in field).

I'm hoping he's on the road th recovery now, and once I'm up to 20mins canter work and sound, I'll be introducing jumping again, fingers crossed! :)
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How long has it been since you started with this?
My horse had 3 lots of shockwave, 4 months boxrest then we tried inhand walking and small paddocks, neither which worked because he was too mad !!
Then we went back to our normal life of out during the day and in at night.
We started ridden work in October, just walk for 6 weeks, then trot etc and we have just started jumping again:)

I have taken more time than the vets told me to as I want him to stay right then somebody the other day said I was rushing him so not sure now??

Off to look into msm supplements now:D
 
Suspensory damage, both hinds as well as KS. Limited turnout and in hand walking before the KS op. Box rest after KS op in Nov 2010, in hand walking afterwards. 4 sessions shockwave ended April 2011. Since then
-magnetic stable wraps up to 12 hours per day
-MSM supplements, Bromelain, Green lipped mussel, Selenium all added to feed for 6 months.
-ridden at walk from last shockwave gradually introducing small periods of trot and some hill work. He has still not been cantered.
-magnetic brushing boots also used for turnout up to 12 hours.
- turned away for 3 months, just being brought back into work and sound as a pound.

I have really taken my time with this boy to give him the best chance to heal to the highest level. Race horses are often turned away for a year or 2 with these kind of injurys so the longer the better.
 
I'm 6 weeks into a forelimb suspensory ligament recovery (hopefully).

I do the following:
Magnetic boots overnight only
MSM supplement (found best strength/price was equimins)
Vit E & Selenium (recommended by vet for horse while on box rest as they can be Vit e deficient due to lack of grazing)
He's on total box rest (large box 14 x 16ft sq)

Was initially treated with cold wraps twice a day for the first week too, Vet back out in 4 weeks and I'm hoping for a spot of turnout as the news as he was very happy with progress so far a couple of weeks ago.
 
Mine had moderate damage to both hinds but worse in off hind.

Three courses of shockwave therapy, turned away for 9 months (no box rest partly because of spavin but also vet not in favour), no supplements.

She has been brought back into work at absolutely snail's pace and nearly a year later is still not galloping, jumping, turning less than 20 m circles or even trotted through thick mud, but is sound.
 
Dab said:
With regard to feeding Selenium, i always understood that feeding too much could be dangerous.

Does anybody know more?

PS Thanks Cynorian
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Overfeeding is definitely not good.
Leflynn, my pony had a front suspensory tweak, they are much easier to heal and he recovered to his former level
 
Thanks, just for reference how much selenium were you feeding?

I've gone with the MSM and will look into the selenium and possibly spa treatments ( wonder if they do a duo offer, as i could seriously do with a few spa treatments!)
 
Feeding too much selenium is dangerous as can lead to selenium toxicity (but thats as far as my knowledge goes!

I have the equimagnets wraps which I got free with the magnetic rug I bought, I also have the aerborn wraps, but the equimagnets ones can be wrapped around joints so are pretty handy.

I still don't understand how you can turn out 'as long as the horse doesn't run about' mental - I would never trust mine to do that, although he did manage to throw some shapes in his tiny paddock! :eek:

I started my rehab in Sept, and started canter work about mid feb I think. Mine did go lame last April, but as I was getting married etc and had loads of work stress I just turned him away, which didn't make his injury worse, it just didn't get any better.

I am hoping maybe to jump in June/July, but I don't school him apart from on hacks and won't be doing any tight turns etc for a while. He has another osteo appt in mid may, and the chiro in a couple of weeks.

The osteo was really good for straightening him up, as the lameness had made him all squiffy. I am trying to rehab him so that he uses his body correctly (unlike before :o ) so hopefully I won't reinjure the ligament

My vet said that a 20min spa session on a water treadmill would be the equivalent of one hours worth of trotting, but tbh with the cost of everything else I'm doing I decided that mine could just do the hard yards for that bit, although I might try and box him to the seaside to do my own spa therapy. :)
 
xxMozlarxx said:
Overfeeding is definitely not good.
Leflynn, my pony had a front suspensory tweak, they are much easier to heal and he recovered to his former level
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Mine is also a front leg injury, quite high up in the ligament, which from what I've read about it is hopefully better !
Plus the pony is only rising 6 so I'm keeping my fingers firmly crossed.

Great thread, thanks for all the info:D
 
Bobby Boy said:
Mine is also a front leg injury, quite high up in the ligament, which from what I've read about it is hopefully better !
Plus the pony is only rising 6 so I'm keeping my fingers firmly crossed.

Great thread, thanks for all the info:D
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You will be fine I'm sure, my pony was 17 when he did it and still went to camp the next year. My horse was only 6 when he was diagnosed, i think the young age has been a big factor in his recovery, and lots of time. I wouldn't box rest again for any length of time I think the lack of movement can be counterproductive and the horse often goes mad when turned out, I would restrict the paddock size. Hopefully won't have to face it again though.
 
Hi watching this thread with great interest! My boy was diagnosed with PSD 6 weeks ago he's currently stabled with being walked out 10 mins a day twice a day x goes back to be re scanned on Tuesday. I really do hope he recovers back to full work and would love to hear from people post injury!! I evented him really hope I will again. I do use magnetic boots during the day. He's not on any joint supplement though so I'll be off to have a look later at some MSM products.
 
xxMozlarxx said:
You will be fine I'm sure, my pony was 17 when he did it and still went to camp the next year. My horse was only 6 when he was diagnosed, i think the young age has been a big factor in his recovery, and lots of time. I wouldn't box rest again for any length of time I think the lack of movement can be counterproductive and the horse often goes mad when turned out, I would restrict the paddock size. Hopefully won't have to face it again though.
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Thanks for a ray if sunshine :D Red is only 6 too and he has a tendancy to heal quickly so I'm hopeful :)
 
I've picked her up today and she is on 2 days box rest, then allowed in a small paddock 24/7, the grass is so nice she doesn't really gallop about, and I have to walk her for 10 mins for the first 2 weeks going up by 10 mins every 2 weeks in hand, very different than most of your advise but I'm hoping it works
 
Our Pony was diagnosed with PSD last autumn and had shock wave ( 3 lots) We dont know if i worked as he has other problems also ( bone spavin, and a mystery front leg lameness.

I was looking for some supplement to feed him, to help strengthen his tendon, so I emailed the makers of Cortaflex, thinking that they could sell me something, that would help the tendons as well as the bone spavin . The reply I received is that there is no food supplement you can give tendons, and the best thing is time.
 
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