Pts, honest opnions please

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So today I found my 26 yr old in the field unable to walk properly and shivering. It was raining and not warm but he has never reacted to the cold like this before, he is a hardy lad. Good weight and very active. He has to live out 24/7 as when he stands in he seizes up, much like I found him today. He has been retired for 3 years, and lives out in a mixed herd where is the ‘’stallion’’, very riggy and a bully to the other geldings.
I brought him in to the stable, where he was shivering to such an extent he fell, and we had to give him a heave to be able to get back up. He trembled constantly and stood very still legs straight out, I can only imagine the cold wet weather has aggravated his joints (although he’s been great living out all winter, it has been mild). He ate a warm mash with Bute, and I dried him off and rugged him up. He is an idiot to handle and has severe separation anxiety. So through the shivering and stuggling to stand he was screaming for his friends!! I had to turn him back out, a)didn’t want him to get worse standing in and b) I worried about him lying down in the stable and getting cast. Leading him back out he could go no faster than a very slow stumble although he was still fretting and whinning to the herd, on turning out he attempted to trot over the others, he was stiff he fell again and managed to stand up how I don’t know. Sheer will power!? Tonight the weather is rough and cold, he has a neck rug on. I am understandably worried about him…

It has raised thoughts of having him PTS. Ok it will be summer soon, hopefully he’d be great, enjoying the sun and grazing playing lord muck over his mares… But what will happen next time he weather turns. Ok I could maybe manage him, rugs, pain killers…
But I just feel in my heart he should never be a doddery crippled old man, he has never been that type. In 9 years I’ve never seen him sick or sorry. He’s always been a blumming pain in the backside to handle and that’s why we love him, he’s his own horse. He was very clearly ostracized when he hobbled back to the herd, the gelding he usually chases around pushed him out (although his little yearling friend came to stand with him) which made me really feel for him…

In my heart of hearts, and I know this is ridiculously selfish I know I don’t want to see him ill, stiff or not himself. It cuts me up and I hate it. I know people care for their veterans until the last moment, but do I really want to be forced into the decision of having him pts, through seeing him crippled with pain, or casting himself…. He was the picture of health before the last few days, I really don’t want to see him thin and in poor condition… As many old horses get…

Would it maybe be better to have him bounce back from this episode, be well and healthy and have him pts in his veteran prime as it were… Happy and having not suffered…

Please give me your opnions, this isn’t a cut and dried situation, maybe what I’m saying is would you personally put an old horse down in the fear of seeing him suffer in the future…?
 
It may well be summer soon but..... it will then be winteer, if you think he will easily live through another winter na dbe happy and pain free then see how he goes, but be realistic about it. A massive hard decission i know ..
 
Hold on there. We have had an exceptionally warm dry period and horses have adjusted themselves to this. Suddenly we have rain, cold and wind!. Every one of the horses here would have been shivering like mad if they were rugless today, despite even the fully clipped ones being rugless the past few weeks. If this is not quickly addressed then shivering can quickly progress to loss of coodination, especially in older horses whose temperature control system may not be as good as it once was. See how he goes over the next few days when he has warmed up and turn him out in some nice warm rugs until the weather improves.
 
Very similar sounding to my old horse Rebel - stiff as a board, but severe separation anxiety when I brought him in! I brought him in one night and called the vet there and then as I couldn't bear to see him like that any more and he was PTS straight away. See how he is tomorrow - it has been awful weather today after the warm weather we've had and he might be better. But only you know your horse best and if he's not happy you have to make that decision for him. You will know - believe me.
 
Did you get a vet to check him over at all? Just wondering as there could be various reasons for him to be in that state and maybe a vet could have drawn some conclusions. We once had a pony who developed hypothermia - we found him lying in a load of muck and struggled to get him to the stables. He had a very thick coat but he had got so sodden he just couldn't keep warm. We managed to dry him (had the vet out) get him rugged and warm, got some feed down him and vet gave him something at the time. He lived for a fair few years after that andhe was really quite old!!

I have a 26 yo who sounds similar to yours as far as herd dynamics go so I too would be very shocked to see him in that sort of state. I would be concerned he'd eaten something to be honest as would find it odd he could just get that cold in such a short period.
 
My mare is tired. She would go for another couple years from her condition but she's stiff and tired and had enough. She has a catalogue of conditions and will have 1 last summer then lie down and go to sleep in the field with her friends around her and her dignity in tact. She is 32.
 
When I went to do my mare this evening she was huddled in her stable that she'd taken herself into and was shivering like a jelly. She had a lightweight rug on and is a hardy native at only 19 years young :rolleyes: The 28 year old standardbred was out grazing in his h/w absolutely fine.

I think the current conditions are pretty extreme, many horses have lost a fair amount of winter coat in the recent heat and are now faced with an arctic blast.

They often need a little extra tlc in advanced age and I'd keep him rugged if it is turning wet/cold.

Then I'd wait and see how he goes, if you have pts in mind then I'd do it before he deteriorates too much, but I do think that current conditions could well have a lot to answer for.
 
Gosh...he sounds a lot like how I found my 20 year old boy this morning and he's been diagnosed with laminitis.... I thought it was just stiffness originally!!!
 
Did you get a vet to check him over at all? Just wondering as there could be various reasons for him to be in that state and maybe a vet could have drawn some conclusions.

If he still the same tomorrow I will be getting the vet. It may will be as many of ya'll suggest a shock to the system of it suddenly being so cold all of a sudden...

I just dont want to see him get to a point of detoriation where I feel I have left it too far...

Goodness I may well be just completly over reacting and he'll be right as rain tomo... Or he could be worse...
 
I would try not to dwell on it but make a plan - keep him rugged even if there is the slightest chance of cold/rain so that you know you have given him every chance and then if it happens again when you know he was as appropriately rugged as he could be then if he struggles to stand I would probably pts.

invest in a good summer sheet that he wont get hot in but you could leave on if in doubt possibly with neck cover as well as this seems to make a big difference

Hope he is ok and it is just a one off - as others have said we have gone from very warm to cold and wet and he could have just had a bit of a shock
 
Gosh...he sounds a lot like how I found my 20 year old boy this morning and he's been diagnosed with laminitis.... I thought it was just stiffness originally!!!

This does make me wonder, however no heat or pounding pulses in any feet...? If there is no improvement I will get vet out asap...
 
Josh didn't either.... Last night he looked stiff so I brought him in, this morning he was standing ok but staggering,, I could hardly move him!! He us right weight, no hard feed, no crest heat pulses...but defo sore in all 4 feet. He's 20 and never had it before. He stands ok but walks like a laminitic.
 
Gosh...he sounds a lot like how I found my 20 year old boy this morning and he's been diagnosed with laminitis.... I thought it was just stiffness originally!!!

I'm afraid that was also my thought on reading the description... the 30yo herd leader where my horse lived was pts after we found him like this... the warm clear days sent the grass growing madly, the sudden cold snap made it high sugar, and he already had borderline Cushings. The combination of grass and effect of longer day lengths on hormone levels just tipped him over the edge. The other horses realised immediately there was something wrong and drove him out of the group :( We thought initially he was shivering, but it was muscle tremors because of how he was having to stand.
I would definitely be getting vet out.
 
....he's much improved since pain killers and being in on a deep bed. I think I've been caught out by a bit of rain and a flush but vet testing for cushings in morning. Might be worth considering....
 
Is his summer coat through? My hard as nails gelding (just like yours) became intolerant to wet in his late 20s, he was OK in the winter when he had foot deep fur but in the spring when he had just changed his coat he could get very cold. I always lightly rugged him when it was going to be wet, even summer nights.

Could you check him later tonight? If not I would be up there early just to make sure all is well.

It may well just be the sudden cold, but I would be checking for laminitis as well (because I like to cover everything!).

Hope he is OK, they are such a worry.
 
Please let us know...might be worth getting him in and getting vet to give you something to calm him if he has to stay in. If its not manageable and you do have to consider PTS...then at least if it is lami you will have some knowledge on which to make your decision. I know josh has really improved over 12 hours with painkillers
 
Yes he would most likely need to be sedated if he had to come into boxrest, and on box rest he will seize up *bangs head on wall* yep will keep ya'll updated. Phoebe I hope Josh feels better soon.
Rebel he has just started to moult, still got quite a thick coat... Got his h/w on now, it has been so warm and just today the temp has dropped so I went armed to rug him up for the night, maybe i've been in a bit of denial about his age, he's always been tough as old boots... I'm so worried about him :(
 
Sorry if this sounds a little harsh..............'it's never a day too early, but always a day too late', the decision is yours to make and only you will know if he has had enough if it is not an obvious problem with him. I've always called it a day with my horses when they look good and are as well as they can be in their current circumstances, rather than wait until they are on the floor or so unwell there is no choice for them. Better for you to remember them as well as they could be, better for them that they weren't suffering at the end?
 
Sorry but your horse was so unwell it fell over.. the vet should have been called to give this horse an examination as you have not even considered for e.g laminitis. He could have been colicing, hence the shivering or could have tied up. I hope he is well rugged and has plenty of shelter tonight.
 
No not harsh bobbly, I agree with that mantra... I suppose i'm just worried about being years rather than days too early. Just going to see how he goes I guess...
 
Sorry but your horse was so unwell it fell over.. the vet should have been called to give this horse an examination as you have not even considered for e.g laminitis. He could have been colicing, hence the shivering or could have tied up. I hope he is well rugged and has plenty of shelter tonight.


SusieT The vet will be coming if he is still as bad, he was very bright in himself, pooing and gut sounds. He has a h/w on and pleanty of shelter...
 
OP, only you know your horse and I try to live by the 'a day too soon is better than a day too late' rule, BUT my 7 year old section was shivering and miserable today (she was just tooooo cold, even though rugged) and I think it was the sudden change in temperature. So, see how your horse is tomorrow and don't rush into a decision. Their ability to cope and position within the herd will change as they get older, but it's not necesssarily a reason to PTS, unless they're not happy. I firmly believe you will know when it's time. Sending hugs -it's not easy seeing them unhappy.
 
maybe what I’m saying is would you personally put an old horse down in the fear of seeing him suffer in the future…?

Answering your question, Yes I would pts, sooner rather than later :(

The old chap sounds (from your description) as if the body is failing even if his stout old heart isn't yet, difficult for anyone to advise from a distance, you know your horse better than anyone else :)
 
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None of us really can tell you the best thing to do. You know your horse and I feel sure know what is best to do for him, we can all offer opions on what to do but at the end of the day we do not know the animal and you do, trust me you will make the right decision which in your heart you will know is the right thing to do. My thoughts are with you.
 
bright in himself but shivering and cant walk more than a hobble? He is suffering. Now he's out in (what is ehre anyway..) not the most pleasant weather hobbling about?
 
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