Puppies and jabs

[Clodagh]

How old are puppies now before they are allowed to walk on the ground and meet other dogs?
We have a tenant who has a twelve week old springer pup (she was getting a cavalier but couldn't find one, decided a springer was similar) and he still is not allowed to walk outside. She is using puppy pads but 12 weeks does seem very old, I thought they could walk outside and meet other vaccinated dogs from 1st jab, in your garden and that sort of thing. He was 6 weeks when she got him.

 

[Aru]

Second vaccine on...so when over 12/13 weeks.
before this the vaccine given may not be effective. This happens as if the antibodies the mother supplies are still present in the pup when the vaccine is given, the vaccine does not work.they can therefore catch parvo in the danger window before the 12 week booster.
In some parvo hotspot areas and a handful of breeds(rotties and other black and tans breeds for some reason)a 14/16 weeks is often recommended as they are known for having strong maternal antibodies or the area has a particularly high case of vaccine breakdown(12 week plus vaccinated pups becoming infected)

 

[blackcob]

It depends which recommendations/protocol they are following, though most will have a DHP/DHPPi at 10 weeks and therefore be out and about by 11.

IMO it's a big mistake to restrict access to the garden and to vaccinated dogs, the disease risk is minimal compared to the risk of missing out on socialisation during a critical period.

 

[Aru]

Most people will still bring pups out and about before this as its prime socialization time.....and more dogs will be surrendered/be pts from socialisation issues/behavioural then parvo.....but it involves risk management.
So peoples enclosed gardens with vaccinated dogs(who havent had parvo on the property n the last few years) are fine.out and about in your arms to be exposed to the world fine......sniffing/pottering and walking along footpaths/dogparks/popular dog walking beaches with a high turnover of strange dogs however is not recommended as infected dogs can shed spores that survive in the environment for up to a year..again you would have to be unlucky...but parvo isnt a disease to take chances with.

 

[Clodagh]

Well I have just seen her putting pup in the car, she rang the vet who said pretty well what Aru said. Bizarrely instead of letting pup on the ground here, where there are only vaccinated dogs, she has taken it into town so it's first experience of the grass can be in the park - 'As there is mud and puddles here and I don't want him in those'. Well in the garden there isn't. I give up, funnily enough, she gave him a big lunch beofre she went so he will really need to go - bet he barfs it up in the car. Mad woman.

 

[Aru]

She bought a Springer spaniel because she thinks they are the similar to a Cavelier kc spaniel and couldnt be bothered waiting for a suitable puppy...and doesnt want said gundog breed puppy in mud and puddles.....

If it wasn't such a recipe for tragedy for the pup, it would be funny in the who the hell is that crazy sort of way..

 

[Clodagh]

I agree. I worry about the pup, she found it on preloved and picked it up at 6 weeks old, I can just see it being rehomed in a few months.

 

[Thistle]

Poor dog, I wonder how long before it's chasing poults and your chickens. I can see your gamekeeper running short of patience.

 

[Fiona]

Our pup was out and about as soon as she had her second vacc jab (at 10 weeks).. We picked what we thought were less used walks etc, but after having an under socialised pup before I really didn't want to take the risk of missing the 'window' again..

I'm laughing at the idea of trying to keep a springer out of mud and puddles Would love to be a fly on the wall...

Fiona

 

[AmyMay]

Daisy was in the garden immediately after we picked her up at 12 weeks (she'd had 1st vaccs) and met next doors fully vaccinated dog within days. And then out and about fully after 2nd vaccs a week later.

 

[Clodagh]

Poor dog, I wonder how long before it's chasing poults and your chickens. I can see your gamekeeper running short of patience.

I'm not sure that he has any patience to start with. OH told them before they got a pup that one strike and they are out.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Re vaccs, isn't it about 7-11 days after 2nd vac that they can go out and about? And isn't the second vacc purely to ensure the maternal antibodies haven't rendered the first lot ineffective? If so, should we only have one set of vaccs at say 12 weeks?

'As there is mud and puddles here and I don't want him in those'. Well in the garden there isn't. I give up, funnily enough, she gave him a big lunch beofre she went so he will really need to go - bet he barfs it up in the car. Mad woman.

Dying laughing at this! It's a springer, it will be straight in any available mud/puddle/river. And yup, I can just see him puking his guts up after being fed then shoved in the car.

I keep hearing that CKS are 'easy' dogs, no idea about them, but springers can be hard work if they're working types and need a job. God help her if hers is like one of mine.

 

[Clodagh]

I saw her with him yesterday, he has a lovely rug and a bling collar and she carries him about like a teacup yorkie. He is a sweet little thing but when I suggested he had a play date with our older lab (young lab is too full on for small puppies) she said she didn't want him with adults yet, only other pups. I imagine he is going to grow up thinking every other dog wants to play, which causes endless trouble IMO, better he met my old lurcher a time or two, she explains manners very firmly, but never hurts them.

 

[Thistle]

She would be better off with a teddy bear

 

[Cinnamontoast]

A rug? And a bling collar! Oh my, is he called Tricky Woo?!

 

[Clodagh]

A rug? And a bling collar! Oh my, is he called Tricky Woo?!

LMAO!

 

[Clodagh]

Pup is four months old now and is allowed outside! She is doing well with it really, and asked my advice about introducing it to the hens which I appreciated. (The brown hens will soon learn it some manners, my dogs are scared of them).
She is just starting house training, although has been told you can't do any training until 6 months. I really think these puppy party people have a lot to answer for.

 

[Thistle]

It's a good job you can keep her heading in the right direction. My dogs all start proper house training the second they arrive and are usually fairly clean and dry by 4 months. She needs to find a decent puppy class. A friend goes to a positive training class on a Thursday morning your side of Stortford. Sounds like it could be her sort of thing.

 

[Clodagh]

I have told her about the Good Citizenship ones in our village hall, not my sort of thing but any training is a start IMO. Could you send me the details as to where your friend goes?