Puppy with upset tummy.

[TheresaW]

Luna went to the vet yesterday for her second injections. She still has very loose poo which I told the vet about. She had a thorough check up, temp normal, good weight, no dehydration, and playful and puppy like in herself.

The vet said it's probably a combination of new home etc as our other dog is fine. She didn't do the injection just in case, she's booked to have it next week.

Anything we can do to settle her tummy? She is on the same food she had at the breeders. I know an adult dog, we could starve for 24 hours, but not a puppy.

 

[Pearlsasinger]

I would feed her a few arrowroot biscuits (from the biscuit section in the supermarket) mixed in with a light diet. That should act as a 'binder'.

 

[TheresaW]

Thank you. Will have a look tomorrow.

 

[Umbongo]

A bit of chicken/rice/scrambled egg, veterinary gastrointestinal diet or wet chappie is ok for a couple of days until it clears up. Then gradually introduce her normal food. Are you going to keep her on the breeders food or change it? You can also try something like yudigest or prokolin.

 

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I used Animology digestion plus capsules they did the trick and I always keep some Ceva logic Dia-stop on hand too.

 

[druid]

Add rice to her normal food to help firm her up or just give her rice an chicken for 24h.

ProMax/Diahalt or similar are very helpful if you can get them

 

[Aru]

Prokaolin or equuvalent can help.generally though a bland food diet-boiled chicken and white rice/plain(no butter or milk) scrambled eggs and white rice..white fish and rice....or i/d or original chappie tins for a few days until everything firms up should work without need for meds.
Boiled white rice is great for gi issues as its a slow release carb source and also helps with increasing fibre to firm up poo and water regulation in the gi tract so even adding that to normal food can help.
It is likely just down to the stress of moves etc if shes clinically fine.
Fasting is no longer recommended for diarrhoea in dogs.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Child version of kaolin from chemist.

One of mine (adult) was regularly sick for days. I 're-set' him using Pepto Bismol in every meal. Probably the wrong thing entirely.

 

[Alec Swan]

…. . I 're-set' him using Pepto Bismol in every meal. Probably the wrong thing entirely.

How strange, 50 years ago we could get what was called Bismuth. If that didn't work, then nothing did!

Administered with care and proportionally to body weight, I'd also give K&M (Kaolin), a try.

Just a thought for those with experience, I've added careful salt levels to the diets of calves, foals and lambs, and it always seems to work. Would a 'pinch' of salt help with drying up liquid expelling pups?

Alec.

 

[TheresaW]

Puppy is still the same, some poos really normal, but others like mr whippy ice cream. Only way I can describe it, sorry.

Aled is now poorly, don't know if unrelated or not. Early hours of Friday morning, woke me about 3am to go out. Wouldn't touch his breakfast yesterday morning, and was sick about an hour later, all undigested biscuit from night before. Wouldn't eat his dinner last night, and again woke me about 4am this morning to go outside.

Couldn't tempt him to eat this morning, so called vet. At the time, I was boiling some chicken and rice which he was interested in. Vet has given me some promax, managed to get just over half the dose into him. He ate all his chicken and rice this morning, but won't touch it tonight. He's drinking, and although quiet, keeps bringing his toys for us to throw for him.

His toilet is like water. Any ideas?

 

[Equi]

I always give probiotic when mine has an upset tummy, and just small meals of chick/rice until it clears. As for the puppy, what age and how many times are you feeding it?

 

[TheresaW]

Puppy is 11 weeks. Shes been on pedigree vital puppy, as that is what the breeder was feeding, and didn't want to change it too quickly. She did have some chicken and rice today. Ate all her chicken and some of the rice.

She is offered food 4 times a day, but will only pick at the food during the day. Always eats all of her breakfast, and most of her tea.

 

[Equi]

Id want to get that changed asap, horrible brand of food. Akin to bakers! If shes only really wanting to eat twice a day i would offer it twice a day, if you think shes too hungry offer it three times...4 times might just be too much for her and too much food can cause the squits.

Here is a good site to read up about dog foods and what should be best to feed but you have to trial and error with your own animal..just don't think taht if she doesnt eat one meal she will die and go back to a food she will eat (the reason so many feed bakers is that its "all the dog will eat" cause its full of sugar!) shell eat when shes hungry enough to.

https://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/

 

[Alec Swan]

Puppy is 11 weeks. …….. .

Having reared a pup or two, I would avoid AT ALL COSTS, those complete feeds which are over 16% protein …….. that's point one. If luna is the only dog in the house, then at 11 weeks, I'd be feeding her on kitchen scraps (YEP, including the cooked chicken carcasses), when we do a roast we can soak her biscuits in the left over gravy, and apart from potato which I'm told that dogs can't digest, the pup would have all the left overs including the greens and that's point two.

Point three is that I would be cautious in the extreme of those ready and prepared feeds which assure us that they give the puppy — everything that they need—. Most of these complete feeds can be dangerous to growing pups. When we're assured that the dieticians know best, and then we look at the protein contents in many of the prepared feeds that many of our vets promote, then I wonder if they aren't just laying a path for further and costly surgery.

Alec.

 

[TheresaW]

Thank you. I wonder if this has caused Aleds issues too then. He usually eats anything, generally we feed Arden Grange or Harringtons. We got him some adult Vital too, so he didn't feel left out?

 

[CorvusCorax]

Pedigree isn't a great food.
I agree about rocket fuel levels of protein in dried food for pups, particularly fast growing large breeds.
If you look at the protein levels in pre-prepared raw feeds where the main content is meat and bone, even in the puppy foods, they are nowhere near that of the dry foods.

 

[TheresaW]

All the pedigree is going in the bin.

Just offered Aled his tea, and he ate all the chicken, but not the rice.

Scrambled eggs for breakfast.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

How strange, 50 years ago we could get what was called Bismuth. If that didn't work, then nothing did!

Administered with care and proportionally to body weight, I'd also give K&M (Kaolin), a try.
Alec.

Just a word of caution, avoid the kaolin that contains morphine. It's now illegal, which doesn't bother my local very old fashioned chemist and the morphine can be fatal to dogs. I spoke to the other springer owner in the street today and recommended a teaspoon or two.

Puppy is still the same, some poos really normal, but others like mr whippy ice cream. Only way I can describe it, sorry.

His toilet is like water. Any ideas?

Kaolin, syringed if he's not eating properly. Give him whatever he'll eat. Keep up with the chicken, rice, try white fish too. Scrambled egg is fab and will hopefully firm him up. If he'll eat it, bio natural yoghurt seems to help my lot. I handfed mine when they were sick. I've had two bouts of all three being sick, one after the other. I think it was a bug, but given how little yours is, I'd be very careful.

Ask the vet to do a poo sample for gardia. Where's he from? A reliable pedigree breeder? Has he been wormed, do you know?

You're right to bin the Pedigree, it's very poor quality, IMO.

 

[TheresaW]

Aled isn't the puppy, he's our old boy. His worming is up to date.

 

[MotherOfChickens]

Aled isn't the puppy, he's our old boy. His worming is up to date.

if it doesnt clear/improve by tomorrow I would get them both tested for giardia etc(take a faecal in for both of them). You can get kaolin especially for pets-I always keep some kaogel in the drawer. it could just be the change in food that set Aled off but as he's elderly I'd get him checked out.

 

[TheresaW]

Thank you. I may phone the vets today, our practice is closed, but the branch in the next town is open today. We were registered with them before the one in our town opened.

Wouldn't eat the scrambled egg.

 

[Clodagh]

On the protein levels in food, (as a by the by), most puppy completes are nealry 30% protein, it is astounding! Pen is on 24% and is mad as a bunch of frogs on that. She only ahs that as a base and has scraps and odds and sods on top.
When mum rehomed her collie, who had always been fed Bakers, the dog went on complete hunger strike when faced with real 'brown' food. It is like stopping McDs and making a child eat a proper balanced plateful.
I am sure huskies have odd dietary requirements, isn't their metabolism designed to cope with very little? I wonder if Blackcob could help? (Or any husky owner).
I agree about taking the faecal sample in. How were the pups kept? Was she still with mum or was she weaned?

 

[Patchworkpony]

Having reared a pup or two, I would avoid AT ALL COSTS, those complete feeds which are over 16% protein …….. that's point one. If luna is the only dog in the house, then at 11 weeks, I'd be feeding her on kitchen scraps (YEP, including the cooked chicken carcasses), when we do a roast we can soak her biscuits in the left over gravy, and apart from potato which I'm told that dogs can't digest, the pup would have all the left overs including the greens and that's point two.

Point three is that I would be cautious in the extreme of those ready and prepared feeds which assure us that they give the puppy — everything that they need—. Most of these complete feeds can be dangerous to growing pups. When we're assured that the dieticians know best, and then we look at the protein contents in many of the prepared feeds that many of our vets promote, then I wonder if they aren't just laying a path for further and costly surgery.

Alec.

Alec when you say complete feeds do you just mean the dry kibble or do you mean wet foods as well? I do agree about giving pups kitchen leftovers, in addition to other things, since this is usually good quality food that is varied and if you eat organic (which we do) then you know a pup is getting a varied diet instead of the same thing everyday. We are having roast chicken for lunch today so Lark will get some chicken, carrots and peas tonight.

 

[Patchworkpony]

She only ahs that as a base and has scraps and odds and sods on top.

Just out of interest what scraps and odds and sods do you give her? While I am avoiding grain like the plague I am wondering what other extras to feed that are healthy and not just high protein meat.

 

[Clodagh]

Just out of interest what scraps and odds and sods do you give her? While I am avoiding grain like the plague I am wondering what other extras to feed that are healthy and not just high protein meat.

They really have everything, so yes they have wheat and grain, although I spend a fortune on grain free food! If we have curry, they have leftover curry etc. Also I always cook extra veg and they have those. Literally anytnig that gets scraped off our plates goes in the dogs. I make stock out of carcasses and bones and they have that, when I am not making soup.

 

[TheresaW]

Aled has a vet appt at 3.45. All the pedigree has been thrown away, and have got his Arden Grange again, still not interested in eating it though.

As for puppy, have got some Wainwrights grain free lamb and rice to try her on. One of the husky owners at work feeds it to her dog.

Aled has always had scraps after dinner, will start giving the pup some too.

 

[Thistle]

I was chatting to a local Husky breeder/racing kennel last week. She feeds a mostly meat based raw diet and Skinners duck and rice kibble if they're away racing. She feels that Huskies aren't evolved to eat some things, particularly veg based stuff as that isn't generally found where they come from.

She has 40 huskies all in fantastic condition.

 

[TheresaW]

Thank you. All advice is welcome and taken on board.

 

[druid]

On the protein levels in food, (as a by the by), most puppy completes are nealry 30% protein, it is astounding! Pen is on 24% and is mad as a bunch of frogs on that. She only ahs that as a base and has scraps and odds and sods on top.
When mum rehomed her collie, who had always been fed Bakers, the dog went on complete hunger strike when faced with real 'brown' food. It is like stopping McDs and making a child eat a proper balanced plateful.
I am sure huskies have odd dietary requirements, isn't their metabolism designed to cope with very little? I wonder if Blackcob could help? (Or any husky owner).
I agree about taking the faecal sample in. How were the pups kept? Was she still with mum or was she weaned?

High protein does not make dogs "hyper" - any excess protein is just excreted in the urine. If it genuinely made dogs mad anyone giving leftover chicken, raw or the like would have over excited untrainable dogs. They don't.

 

[Clodagh]

High protein does not make dogs "hyper" - any excess protein is just excreted in the urine. If it genuinely made dogs mad anyone giving leftover chicken, raw or the like would have over excited untrainable dogs. They don't.

I didn't think it did, really, but my mother keeps saying the dog needs less to eat, or cheaper food. Drives me mad. She is just a 7 month old working bred labrador, and life is good and full of things to do.