Pups by courier?

[Helenabbey]

Hi am helping a friend sell a litter of jack Russell pups. I have advertised them on net as friend is 'technologically disadvantaged'

Someone from Wales just called and asked would we send one by courier? Has anyone done this before? Is it safe for a pup who hasnt had vaccinations?

 

[_Acolyte_]

Absolutely NOT I wouldnt touch that sort of purchaser with a barge pole

Any responsible person will want to see the pups in their home environment with their mother - the potential purchaser has idiot/possibly a puppy farm written all over them

Besides, I really doubt couriers would transport live puppies even if it wasnt such a horrible thing to do

 

[Helenabbey]

Yeah. we thought that, I appreciate its nearly a nine hour round trip, but we want them to see them too. They have been sent more photos (with mum in too) and have narrowed it down to 3 pups they like.

 

[Helenabbey]

http://nationalpetexpress.co.uk/default.aspx

This is the only place I can find that do this.

 

[sevenoceans]

Ahem, I don't find this amusing, I would never part a pup until the prospective buyer had been vetted and seen the puppy AT it's birth home along with brothers/sis/mother, and is knowledgable on looking after the puppy. If they won't drive 9 hours, i'd forget them as they don't really care what they are getting! Puppy being couried would find it very distressing, being parted from it's mother then go on long trip to the unknown, being shuttled to different people along the way.
I would go long away to find the perfect pup.

 

[Boltonrider]

Regards the courier side...

There are services that do it, the pup would not be transferred to different people along the way.
I have the ability to do it, and do it regular for various animals.
In this case the pup would be transferred in a specialist equipped vehicle, with welfare stops along the way, where the pup would be walked outside of the vehicle/water/food etc provided.. the driver would be aware of the pup's welfare and keep said pup away from all other animals, as well as using a disinfected vehicle!

It does happen, it happens safely if you use professional transporters, however you need to ensure that payment is recieved in advance and clears. You would also be expected to pay for the courier in advance of the journey!

 

[_Acolyte_]

I appreciate what you are saying BR, and I am sure you are absolutely professional about what you do, but this poor little pup would presumably be just 8 weeks old when it was being transported

It would have never been away from its brothers and sisters before, never away from home, it would be terrified

I just dont think that is fair - perhaps with an older pup, but not at this age

I would not hesitate to drive 9 hours for the right pup - but having said that, I am quite sure that prospective purchasers can get a JR pup more locally to them than that

 

[FinnishLapphund]

I agree with Acolyte, I would even say that only a inconsiderate bitch owner would sell a puppy like that. I mean okay, I know of cases back in the time before there was any internet, where a breeder in Sweden have imported a dog unseen from a breeder in UK and the UK breeder have even decided which pup to send. But then we're talking about from one breeder to another breeder and in the cases I've heard about, there's been recommendations from other breeders or two or more years of contact involved.



Yes it might be a lovely home, but the risk that it's not is bigger. I don't only believe that puppy-buyers need to be better educated in what they can demand, which will increase their chances of getting what they want, but I also believe breeders have a big responsibility to not sell to just anybody.



Ask if somebody on HHO lives nearby and would be willing to do a home-check for your friend, then tell that to the potential buyers and see what happens.
Or offer the buyer that you can help them find a place to sleep over, maybe even in your friends or your own home, then see what happens.

 

[Helenabbey]

its fine, dont worry, there have been a few phonecalls so we are not desperate to sell to just anyone, we had just never heard of puppies going by courier, which is why I asked if anyone on here knew about it. The people asked re coriering and we said we wanted them to see them. We won't be offering to put them up with us, its a 4.5 hour drive, they could stay in a hotel and travel back with pup the next day, obv they could stay for lunch/a rest/to get to know the pups and the dog and bitch for a few hours.

 

[kirstyhen]

We did an 8 hour round trip to see Otto (although the breeder did provide us with a lovely roast dinner

)

If it's the right dog, distance should not be an issue. If I was the breeder I would flatly refuse to even consider couriering an 8 week old puppy!

 

[_Acolyte_]

Thats great to hear Helenabbey you sound to be being completely sensible about it all - I will now get off my soapbox and shut up

But TBH I have never heard of pups being couriered either, so I am surprised they asked

 

[MurphysMinder]

I can remember when pups were sent by rail "Red Star", I have vague memories of picking up a whippet pup with my mum from the local railway station. It ws in the guards van, had come up from Oxford .

I would never consider sending a pup by courier, apart from wanting the people to see the pup with its mum, I would definitely want to meet the owners. I do know of professional pet transporters though, who I am sure do an excellent job, but personally I like a pups first journey in the car to be as pleasant as possible, which with my pups has usually meant sitting on someones knee

 

[Helenabbey]

TBH I don't want them to go anywhere by any means of transport, I love them all.

 

[sevenoceans]

I am so glad to hear this, I'd hate the idea of puppy being so traumisted after it's first journey!

These pups are so cute.

I have a JRT and he's a star. I would love another one (tan or the black one (i have white already). But I have will power!!!


"I must not have another Puppy"
"I must not have another Puppy"
"I must not have another Puppy"
"I must not have another Puppy"

 

[Kate260881]

Hate to be devil's advocate here but it sounds like the people who courier do an excellent job, put the animal's welfare first and keep the journey as smooth as possible, which surely is EXACTLY what the owner would do if they were driving back with it. What is the difference between it travelling in excellent care with a courier and travelling in excellent care with its new owner?

HOWEVER, I do absolutely agree with not selling a pup to someone who hasn't even seen it before so in this case I think it would be a bad idea.

 

[Foxyfilly]

Agree with everyone else. You should be meeting
prospective and interviewing them to see if they
are suitable to have one of your pups, not packing
them off into the unknown.

 

[Bossdog]

As this post is about couriering, my opinion is as the rest. I am actually just wanting to reply to say Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!! How cute are they, I want the tan one!! (no jokes about posting him to me!!)

Jules x

 

[Oneofthepack]

I know you've already made the decison NOT to courier a pup but wanted to post anyway as I've never heard anything like it in my life!

Personally I wouldn't sell a pup to someone who thought it was OK to put it in a crate for a 9 hour journey in the back of a van on it's own, not to mention never having met the pup or being checked out as OK to have one in the first place

They are so cute but the way

 

[AmyMay]

They are just sooo beautiful.

I wonder why these people don't try and find a puppy nearer to home though???

 

[BBH]

Thats a very good point though, JRT's are not rare are they.

Gorgeous pups and I hope they find loving homes.

 

[frankie7]

Some one from work had a puppy couriered to them. I live in Guernsey and there are not many puppies here, you usualy have to go to the UK. It costs £300/400 to get the the UK with a car so works out very expensive if you visit the puppies first and then come back to collect it. when we got Chimo we have never seen her (other than pictures) but had spoken to the breeder on the phone.

the person who had the puppy delivered said it was sitting on the lap of the courier (well the passanger) and settled in with no troubles

 

[Boltonrider]

[ QUOTE ]
I know you've already made the decison NOT to courier a pup but wanted to post anyway as I've never heard anything like it in my life!

Personally I wouldn't sell a pup to someone who thought it was OK to put it in a crate for a 9 hour journey in the back of a van on it's own, not to mention never having met the pup or being checked out as OK to have one in the first place

They are so cute but the way

[/ QUOTE ]

Just a little point...
If a professional transporter is used, the puppy wouldn't not travel in a "crate", it would travel in a suitable dog cage with comfort facilities, and it would not travel for more than 5hrs!!

There are regulations, and those that are able to provide this service do not allow animals to suffer. Our reputation depends on the welfare of the animals in our custody, which is why a professional service provider also allows a person to travel in the same vehicle!

 

[Tia]

Puppies are frequently transported here in North America. It is often a bit further than just 9 hours to go and look at particular puppies here and if someone wants something special then the puppies can often be thousands of miles away. I wouldn't have considered shipping any of my puppies (mind you they all had homes before they were even born so didn't have to advertise), but many breeders do.