questions mares available with eggs for sale and ET

[texascbs]

If when one advertises their stallions services (semen) available, ie standing at stud.
what do you call it when mares are available to harvest eggs for embryo transfer?

Why do I ask? My breed society allows stallions at stud to advertised directly on their facebook page.
Those who want to sell horses or offer their mares available for ET or in utero are directed to the society's website adverts page.

As we all know, folks have attention spans of gnats and will respond to a direct ad than having to go to another site.

So if I advertise my mares (which I am) for ET, what can I call it to get on the main Society FB adverts section?

Egg producer available?

Any creative ideas please?

Sorry but the group's policy seems silly to me as it gives stallion owners advantage over all else.

Thanks
Gabrielle
Texas USA

 

[Alec Swan]

Is there a market, for 'eggs'? When a donor mare is impregnated, and by the route of ET, her egg is fertilised whilst it's still within her. The existing and viable embryo is then transferred in to a recipient mare. How would you see 'eggs for embryo transfer' working out? Are you proposing that eggs be removed from your mare, implanted in a recipient, and then fertilised? Is it common practice, and if it isn't, would it stand any chance of success? I would have serious doubts, though technology being what it is, almost anything's possible, I suppose.

The simple line that ET is the ideal route, in reality, doesn't work quite like that. There's a very experienced forum member who's worked at some of the larger and most experienced of German Stud Farms, and it's her experience that the ET foals are generally the first to be sold, with the reason given that those who cast an eye over them are barely convinced of their futures. I have serious doubts that ET is the way forward for the production of top class horses. I also doubt that we have a system which short-cuts the conventional breeding system. It has to be asked if the results of embryo transfer give us what we're attempting to achieve. In short, we'll get a foal, but will it be what we actually want?

Further, I have clear experience of top class competing mares, once effectively aborted, refusing to hold to any other form of covering. There is an accepted risk as to the donor mare's future and natural breeding prospects, a risk which is accepted by many who carry out the procedure.

Finally! How would you view the marketing of these 'eggs', and what exactly would the buyer be doing with them?

If I've poured cold water on your plans, I apologise!

Alec.

 

[texascbs]

No worries. I am just a bit miffed that my breed society is allowing owners of stallions list stud services on our facebook page while those of us who have mares or just horses for sale are directed to the official website adverts section. Response is the breed FB page would just be too full of ads. My philosophy is that would be great as our numbers are down (its an endangered breed) , and don't you want to get members horses sold and ET contracts accomplished? The old saying "it is a man's world" certain applies to horses too. "it is a stallion's world" Thanks Gabrielle

 

[Rollin]

To be honest Gabrielle, I no longer think the society's website is a good avenue for any sort of promotion.

You can't put decent photos on the main website and the lack of involvement by Trustees in the Forum, means that people who have passion for the breed now set up their own social networks.

As for ET, it is certainly something I think should be considered for rare breeds, however the value of the horse does not warrant the cost of breeding. This imo would be much better use of the HBLB grant money.

With just 6 filly foals for 2014 I think the situation is dire for the breed.

I purchased my first stallion after an expensive round of AI which cost £1,000's and left me with two empty mares. The stallion cost just £500 more than the vet and has so far not had a failure.

 

[texascbs]

Thanks. I think ET is a bit more affordable around here especially in Texas. It is still expensive but less in other sections of the country (USA). Don't know the costs in the UK. We have three ET facilities each with surrogate herds within 60 miles of my house. Since we don't receive any subsidies here (HBLB and RBST monies are limited to UK residents), we pay for everything on our own. Based on preliminary numbers, I think it is amazing what we can produce. Without any monetary incentives (for short time we received a 20 pound credit) and less probably than 1/5th of known purebreds, it appears we produce at least 1/3rd of the pure foal crop.

Yes the official website advertising may not be as important as in the past, but it is one of the few member benefits Overseas folks are allowed. I might as well use it. End of this thread. thanks all

 

[vanrim]

Is there a market, for 'eggs'? When a donor mare is impregnated, and by the route of ET, her egg is fertilised whilst it's still within her. The existing and viable embryo is then transferred in to a recipient mare. How would you see 'eggs for embryo transfer' working out? Are you proposing that eggs be removed from your mare, implanted in a recipient, and then fertilised? Is it common practice, and if it isn't, would it stand any chance of success? I would have serious doubts, though technology being what it is, almost anything's possible, I suppose.


The simple line that ET is the ideal route, in reality, doesn't work quite like that. There's a very experienced forum member who's worked at some of the larger and most experienced of German Stud Farms, and it's her experience that the ET foals are generally the first to be sold, with the reason given that those who cast an eye over them are barely convinced of their futures. I have serious doubts that ET is the way forward for the production of top class horses. I also doubt that we have a system which short-cuts the conventional breeding system. It has to be asked if the results of embryo transfer give us what we're attempting to achieve. In short, we'll get a foal, but will it be what we actually want?

Further, I have clear experience of top class competing mares, once effectively aborted, refusing to hold to any other form of covering. There is an accepted risk as to the donor mare's future and natural breeding prospects, a risk which is accepted by many who carry out the procedure.

Finally! How would you view the marketing of these 'eggs', and what exactly would the buyer be doing with them?

If I've poured cold water on your plans, I apologise!

Alec.

I have to disagree. I have bred an outstanding mare by ET. If someone offered me 6 figures I would't sell her. She is the spitting image of her mother but you can see the influence of her sire (Diamond Hit). The recipient mare was similar in size to the genetic mother. In Germany and Holland breeding is carried out on a much larger scale than the UK and many of the horses are nice but not outstanding whether bred by ET or not. If you want to breed something special you have to start with an outstanding mare. Whether you breed the mare herself or go the ET route doesn't make any difference in my experience. I have also vaguely considered selling my mares eggs. The buyer would choose the stallion, my mare would be inseminated and if everything went to plan she would be flushed 7 days later and the embryo transferred to the recipient. That would be the end of my involvement. I would also definitely consider buying eggs from a top class competition mare. I therefore think this type of breeding could become more common place in the future.

 

[texascbs]

Yay That is what I am offering now for what I consider two outstanding Cleveland Bay mares in Texas. Each are different types, one taller or modern type the other smaller and very handy the more traditional (but bit lighter) type. With the three ET facilities here I am offering as part of the package one or two (forgot must look at the contract) round trips to the ET facility. Buyer may choose any stallion pure or outside. I am keeping the mare use fee low, so with the ET fees it is affordable. We will see as purebreds are becoming more popular here, and a partbred out of a pure mare is a really nice sport horse.

Thanks
Gabrielle Texas USA