Quick Fix and worming

[Chianti]

My pony has tested positive for tapeworm - which was a bit of a shock. I've ordered the wormer from the vet which treats these. I don't like worming him as he has a delicate gut and has had a couple of instances of colic in the past. I've got some Quick Fix to use. How do people time the first dose of this- just after the wormer or a bit later so it can do its job?

 

[paddy555]

which wormer have you ordered?

 

[SEL]

I do 1/3 tube day before then day of and day after

For a bad reaction to Equest pramox once I gave an entire tube. It was a riding school pony and in hindsight shed come from a dealer and should have had something less potent. She was very sweaty looking so she got one of my personal protexin stash and fortunately bounced back.

 

[Chianti]

which wormer have you ordered?

It's the equivalent of Equitape so it only treats tapeworm. You have to get it via a vet as it's not licensed for public sale.

 

[Chianti]

I do 1/3 tube day before then day of and day after

For a bad reaction to Equest pramox once I gave an entire tube. It was a riding school pony and in hindsight shed come from a dealer and should have had something less potent. She was very sweaty looking so she got one of my personal protexin stash and fortunately bounced back.

Thanks. I hate worming now. I never used to think about it the days when we routinely wormed every four months!

 

[paddy555]

It's the equivalent of Equitape so it only treats tapeworm. You have to get it via a vet as it's not licensed for public sale.

excellent. as a matter of interest how much does it cost?

 

[Chianti]

More than an Equest would have! £31.80 for the wormer and I couldn't get to the vet to pick it up so £10.00 for next day tracked postage.

I'm consoling myself that it's worth the price to prevent me stressing over colic and cheaper than a vet's call out for the same.

 

[paddy555]

More than an Equest would have! £31.80 for the wormer and I couldn't get to the vet to pick it up so £10.00 for next day tracked postage.

I'm consoling myself that it's worth the price to prevent me stressing over colic and cheaper than a vet's call out for the same.

absolutely anything is better than colic. Hope he copes OK with the worming.


It is such a shame that they expect us to worm correctly and then equitape is no longer there to enable us to do so.

 

[Chianti]

Thanks. Yes - it's really irritating that it's not available to buy.

 

[Exasperated]

More than an Equest would have! £31.80 for the wormer and I couldn't get to the vet to pick it up so £10.00 for next day tracked postage.

I'm consoling myself that it's worth the price to prevent me stressing over colic and cheaper than a vet's call out for the same.

Anything to avoid a bad reaction or colic, hope it works as intended!
Is it a ‘praziquantel-only’ product from Europe that you’ve ordered? (Equitape was praziquantel)
You can still buy pyrantel products for tapeworms, used at double the dose, without another active ingredient.
(Equest doesn’t treat tapeworms)
Good luck!

 

[SEL]

More than an Equest would have! £31.80 for the wormer and I couldn't get to the vet to pick it up so £10.00 for next day tracked postage.

I'm consoling myself that it's worth the price to prevent me stressing over colic and cheaper than a vet's call out for the same.

Did you get charged for a prescription too? I had a very odd conversation with a vet about using it

 

[Chianti]

Anything to avoid a bad reaction or colic, hope it works as intended!
Is it a ‘praziquantel-only’ product from Europe that you’ve ordered? (Equitape was praziquantel)
You can still buy pyrantel products for tapeworms, used at double the dose, without another active ingredient.
(Equest doesn’t treat tapeworms)
Good luck!

I did think about Strongid but I was nervous about the double dose needed. This is from the Westgate web site which explains why you have to get it from the vet.

The wormer, Equitape, the only singe chemical praziquantel option for treating tapeworm infections in horses, was withdrawn from sale in October 2018. In a turn of fortune for horse health, a specials manufacturer dedicated to the veterinary industry stepped up to fill this gap. A new praziquantel-only equine product has been available to vets from- August 2018.

Consultant vet to Westgate Labs, Carolyn Cummins MVB PhD MRCVS commented

“Retaining a species-targeted treatment option is a fantastic outcome for sustainable worming practice and will go a long way in helping us to tackle the major welfare threat of wormer resistance. Evidence based control combining regular testing and targeted treatment is the best chance we have of protecting our horses from endemic disease caused by parasite infection both now and in the future.”

Unlike other available wormers the product will not have gone through the licencing channels to allow it to be sold in tack shops, feed merchants and other retail outlets via Suitably Qualified Persons (SQPs) and veterinary pharmacists. Instead its classification as an unauthorised extemporaneous preparation limits it to sale by vets only, used exceptionally under the cascade system. While the manufacturer is inspected and approved by the VMD to provide assurance that the product is made to a specific quality the product itself has not been assessed. This is what has enabled the drug to be brought to market so quickly.

 

[Chianti]

Did you get charged for a prescription too? I had a very odd conversation with a vet about using it

No, There wasn't a prescription. They had to order it in. What was the odd conversation?

 

[Exasperated]

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I did think about Strongid but I was nervous about the double dose needed. This is from the Westgate web site which explains why you have to get it from the vet.

The wormer, Equitape, the only singe chemical praziquantel option for treating tapeworm infections in horses, was withdrawn from sale in October 2018. In a turn of fortune for horse health, a specials manufacturer dedicated to the veterinary industry stepped up to fill this gap. A new praziquantel-only equine product has been available to vets from- August 2018.

Consultant vet to Westgate Labs, Carolyn Cummins MVB PhD MRCVS commented

“Retaining a species-targeted treatment option is a fantastic outcome for sustainable worming practice and will go a long way in helping us to tackle the major welfare threat of wormer resistance. Evidence based control combining regular testing and targeted treatment is the best chance we have of protecting our horses from endemic disease caused by parasite infection both now and in the future.”

Unlike other available wormers the product will not have gone through the licencing channels to allow it to be sold in tack shops, feed merchants and other retail outlets via Suitably Qualified Persons (SQPs) and veterinary pharmacists. Instead its classification as an unauthorised extemporaneous preparation limits it to sale by vets only, used exceptionally under the cascade system. While the manufacturer is inspected and approved by the VMD to provide assurance that the product is made to a specific quality the product itself has not been assessed. This is what has enabled the drug to be brought to market so quickly.

thanks for that, if there’s actually a ‘name’ on your tube, be really interested to know what?
If approved by VMD, and usable under cascade system, suggests it’s already used for worms /tapes in other species - so hope it becomes fully available to UK equines ASAP.
I think the double dose pyrantel is simply what it takes to tackle tapeworms, whereas praziquantel doesn’t require as many grams of that active ingredient to evict the blighters!
Hope it works well for you both!

 

[Borderreiver]

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thanks for that, if there’s actually a ‘name’ on your tube, be really interested to know what?
If approved by VMD, and usable under cascade system, suggests it’s already used for worms /tapes in other species - so hope it becomes fully available to UK equines ASAP.
I think the double dose pyrantel is simply what it takes to tackle tapeworms, whereas praziquantel doesn’t require as many grams of that active ingredient to evict the blighters!
Hope it works well for you both!

It’s simply praziquantel so already very familiar to us but this manufacturer has not had it approved for direct sales to horse owners. It seems a bit mad doesn’t it?

 

[iknowmyvalue]

It’s simply praziquantel so already very familiar to us but this manufacturer has not had it approved for direct sales to horse owners. It seems a bit mad doesn’t it?

If you’re interested, the company that make it specialise in compounded medications. So they take things that are regularly used but not licensed, and make them into a user friendly form that’s available only through vets. There are a few of them around, but I’ve only seen praziquantel from one of them. They don’t create licensed products, so until another manufacturer decides to make one and go through the licensing process (expensive) that will be the only way to get it

It’s the same company who make injectable omeprazole, metformin powder, paracetamol paste, ertugliflozin paste etc.

 

[Sanversera]

Anything to avoid a bad reaction or colic, hope it works as intended!
Is it a ‘praziquantel-only’ product from Europe that you’ve ordered? (Equitape was praziquantel)
You can still buy pyrantel products for tapeworms, used at double the dose, without another active ingredient.
(Equest doesn’t treat tapeworms)
Good luck!

I used to double dose with strongid p for tape worm.then my horses tested positive. Westgate informed me there are three types of tapeworm in the UK and strongid p works on only two of them.