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i have been to see a horse today
hes 17h 6rold belgium warmblood...hes nice and short coupled and has quite thick set legs but a nice frame and looks to have good conformation in my eyes.

Basically he has done BSJA up to newcomers and out of about 10/11 outings hes been placed about 8 times....and apparently hes very good. Been professionally schooled by a Jo someone..dun..bun.something like that!!!

im looking at him to event and really only went as hes only in essex and thought i might as well...i really want to know you opinions on warmbloods as eventers etc....hes by bon ami/kannan and has voltaire lines.

Really nice looking horse she rode him nicely and he never touched a pole..i got on she actually said i got him up together better but think its as i am a bit taller...and jumped him happily too-i just needed to remeber to push his big canter enough-but then i wasnt wearing spurs like her.

so i then took him and had a canter out and had brakes fine in a copper roller snaffle and let him out a little but not too much

hence another question do warmbloods generally make the time ????????

apparently he has been out and done UK chasers once-not sure about that and although he was a bit looky he apparently did what he was told.

I really like him but i feel not being able to take him xc is a big risk as i cant afford to have him and then he hates it/isnt bold enough.

I really need you honest opinions...
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Im not really sure about warmbloods and xc but the ones i know of are fab at it and really enjoy it. I think he looks a good type with good strong legs and look to me like he will event. Doesnt seem to mind popping over that very small jump in the pic. Tehe.

Think the only way you will know for sure is if you see him/take him out to xc.
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I'm not an eventer but I was always under the impression that warmbloods cannot make the time in the cross country section. I suppose it would depend what level you intend to take him too. He looks to be a nice horse. Good luck with your decision.
 
Lance has evented quite a bit, and yes he isnt very fast XC, but because his dressage was so good, and his SJ always totally accurate, he did very well!
It all depends on the horse, if he is what you want go for it, if he isnt, then keep looking.
 
I'm sure he would make the time! He looks light enough and very smart. What level do you want to event him to?

My last horse was warmblood, I posted on here months ago and tbh he would put me off buying another one.
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He was very backward and not the most generous nature, he just didn't want to do the job unfortunately. This horse was a bit stuffy and didn't really want to go if you know what I mean.

GL, just my experience with them and I did only have one! Don't some people think that warmbloods are the way forward now we have short format?
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hi

hes apprently never the type to stop and i let him get a bit slow and deep-and he still went

hes not heavy or wide hes quite nice and slim:)
he looks like he really enjoys his work
 
Of course it depends what level you are aiming for, but I can't see him not making the time. he's got a ground covering stride and a super uphill canter, and if he's been so consistent in his placings, he's very trainable!
Is there any way you can try him over a couple of Xc type fences? If he copes easily with them I'd go for him myself.
 
hey , he looks lovely and he looks like he has a nice forward jump and strong body format, good for xc so theres no reason why i cant see him eventing however it might be best for you to take him to a show and see how he performs before buying , it also depends on the level you want to compete at but if it feels right then go for it , however make sure you a certain that this one is for you theres no harm in looking around x hope i have helped ! good luck and let us know on your decsion x
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shes said when i asked she didnt want me to take him to try xc...incase he gets injured; but you cant take the risk without seeing him try

i think im going to have to say that unless i can see him..even if its just her riding him..even trotting over a few fecnes not of a massive height but just a ditch some water...

hes also been broken since hes 4 and a half so hes come a long way quickly and hes lovely and soft in the hand.
 
My WB is a super show jumper, but he HATES xc.....If I wanted a horse for xc I would want to at least see pics/results to show that he does it ok. Think of the hassle if you get him and find he's not into it....much easier to find out now. (Fortunately I wanted mine for SJ and xc would have been a bonus
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he looks very nice, i'd want to see him over a ditch though, even if it's just one you dig in the arena and put a bit of black plastic in. warmbloods can be very spooky, heartbreakingly so.
A real young horse expert (has started thousands of horses) said to me that the difference between irish and wb horses xc is that when an irish horse spooks, he tends to spook back and up, sort of prop a bit, so as long as you are sitting in behind and give a good kick, he's still in a balanced position to jump (hope you see what i mean) whereas wbs tend to spook downwards, almost crouch a bit and drop away from fence, which means they're in a much worse position to jump. i know it sounds very odd and very technical, but it's been borne out by my experience.
i'd want to see him go into water (even if it's just a big puddle) and hop a hole in the ground. if he does those without a blink, i'd be pretty happy i think!
 
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A real young horse expert (has started thousands of horses) said to me that the difference between irish and wb horses xc is that when an irish horse spooks, he tends to spook back and up, sort of prop a bit, so as long as you are sitting in behind and give a good kick, he's still in a balanced position to jump (hope you see what i mean) whereas wbs tend to spook downwards, almost crouch a bit and drop away from fence, which means they're in a much worse position to jump. i know it sounds very odd and very technical, but it's been borne out by my experience.


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Totally agree with that!

However, Moon was dreadful when I first started xc schooling her, nappy, wouldnt consider ditches and just generally had no clue. She's now a bold little madam who couldnt really care less what she jumps. It's so difficult to judge those first few times!!
 
argh it is hard isnt it-i definatly need to do something xc wise with him though dont i.......

i really appreciate your advice as iv come home really confused!!! as i really like him-if only he had been proven xc....im going to tell her what i think and if she doesnt like it fine-il have to find something else.....or if people buy him 2moro then fine!
 
Fran, millie only had one weak phase but as you know it wasnt what you wanted.

Id not go any further unless you can take him and and at least try him over some small xc fences with the owner present and gallop inbetween to see how much ground he covers.

Its not the sort of heartbreak you want to go through again selling another.

I know how hard it is fran lovie but unless you both click and have no resvervations then hold fire.
 
I think I would want to see him do xc, even is just a ditch or something, perhaps there is a reason she doesn't want you to take him xc?
 
hi claire- i did get on well with him..i really did i felt very happy...but as i have thought all along i definatly need to take him out somewhere....as someone else pointed out she advertsied him as event potential so she should expect someone to want to test that!!
 
He looks lovely but I would want to see him over XC - definitely into water. My last 3 warmbloods took LOTS of work to get them into water - and they can be very stubborn and a bit stuffy.
This may be an odd question but was he backed and brought on in this country? In my opinion this makes a difference - sometimes the ones that are backed as youngsters in holland can be stuffy as they are ridden a lot in draw reins and can be very 'held'- they are also rarely hacked out and kept in a lot so don't have exposure to 'spooky' situations. Worth asking perhaps?

He does have a lovely conformation. His canter is lovely and he seems a strong solid type but it does depend on the level - if you are eventing at a very high level I personally would want a little more TB.

Good luck!
 
hi, he was brought over as a 3yrold and backed as 4.5 yrold in this country

re the level- i really want to be able to go out and do Novice eventually...maybe furthur depends what happens tbh!!
 
then I would try him over some XC fences and make your decision based on that.
I have a 5 yr old WB that I *think* could easily make novice level. IF I can get her to behave herself that is!
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I've evented a WB, who as a baby only SJed. He was fantastic; bold, fast, and accurate. He was did a fantastic test and always clear SJ.
However, when he was sold (he didnt belong to me), he started to pick up some time faults.
I think it's down to the rider and horse combo. For me, he was perfect. If you liked him, which I get the impression you do, go for it
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. I love WBs though (because of that superstar mentioned above), so am biased I suppose!!
 
thankyou, i do like him but cant justify spending the amount of money(yes he is too much!!!) on something that has done no dressage or xc....dont get me wrong i think i could take him out dressage tommorrow and he would work well...maybe spook at the boards ut..hes still not "proven" in that way..and hasnt actually dont that much
 
My YO bought a big WB as a 4 year old. He was backed and she took him from Intro (Won the Intro National champs) and at the end of the season did a novice and he flies xc. He is a lovely big striding horse and is nearly ALWAYS clear xc (has only 20 penalties in his eventing time from when he was 4/5 and that is only this season)
He looks lvoely and bold but maybe see him xc first!
 
Not an expert but he looks like a nice horse. Think you right to want to see him over a xc fence. Not sure if this is any help but my friend has a 7 year old warmblood by Kannan and he currently show jumps at 1.30m. He also events, he has competed at and was placed at Intermediate with a pro rider, he was in the Novice Finals at Gatcombe in 2006. She is currently competing him at Pre Novice herself with a plan to go Novice next year. He is brilliant cross country and doesn't seem have any problem with times. He is also one of the most genuine honest horses I have ever met.
 
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I'm not an eventer but I was always under the impression that warmbloods cannot make the time in the cross country section. I suppose it would depend what level you intend to take him too. He looks to be a nice horse. Good luck with your decision.

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I thought that short format meant that even Shires stand a fighting chance now
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If you can't try XC can you take him for a gallop. I have xc many wb and it's not the fences that cause the problems it's the time. It depends what level you want to event to, time wise it's Intermediate and above that might cause a problem. If you can get a feel for his gallop at least, it would be better
 
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