StellaArtois
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Ok guys which wormer should I be using at this time of year.
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Quick Worming Question
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china
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depends when you wormed last and what with, its the green equest if your on the equest program, i have now decided that i am going to get an egg worm count done b4 i decide if im going to worm or not because of the resistance they are building up. my friends horse who was wormed up to date every year with the correct wormer for that time of year became poorly and he had a tapeworm even though he had been wormed for it, was because there was a resistence to the wormer.
mymare
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depends when you wormed last and what with, its the green equest if your on the equest program, i have now decided that i am going to get an egg worm count done b4 i decide if im going to worm or not because of the resistance they are building up. my friends horse who was wormed up to date every year with the correct wormer for that time of year became poorly and he had a tapeworm even though he had been wormed for it, was because there was a resistence to the wormer.
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Yes I started getting worm counts done last year, fortunately they fine and only had to worm in autumn to cover tapeworm (as they cannot detect their eggs). Was well worth the money I think, at least I wasn't squirting unneccessary yuk down their throats.
depends when you wormed last and what with, its the green equest if your on the equest program, i have now decided that i am going to get an egg worm count done b4 i decide if im going to worm or not because of the resistance they are building up. my friends horse who was wormed up to date every year with the correct wormer for that time of year became poorly and he had a tapeworm even though he had been wormed for it, was because there was a resistence to the wormer.
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Yes I started getting worm counts done last year, fortunately they fine and only had to worm in autumn to cover tapeworm (as they cannot detect their eggs). Was well worth the money I think, at least I wasn't squirting unneccessary yuk down their throats.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
mymare dont forget that worm counts wont pick up encysted redworm either, though it you counts were consistently low over the summer it shouldnt be much of a problem.
re tapeworm there is resistance for pyrantel not praziquantel
OP you need to have treated for encysted redworm over the winter months so equest/panacur 5 day.
And we are then getting towards tapeworm time (normally march/april) so depends what you have previously treated with
re tapeworm there is resistance for pyrantel not praziquantel
OP you need to have treated for encysted redworm over the winter months so equest/panacur 5 day.
And we are then getting towards tapeworm time (normally march/april) so depends what you have previously treated with
mymare
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mymare dont forget that worm counts wont pick up encysted redworm either, though it you counts were consistently low over the summer it shouldnt be much of a problem.
re tapeworm there is resistance for pyrantel not praziquantel
OP you need to have treated for encysted redworm over the winter months so equest/panacur 5 day.
And we are then getting towards tapeworm time (normally march/april) so depends what you have previously treated with
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Hi is that the strongyle Ester? They picked up 100 epg in my shet's poo in the autumn.
mymare dont forget that worm counts wont pick up encysted redworm either, though it you counts were consistently low over the summer it shouldnt be much of a problem.
re tapeworm there is resistance for pyrantel not praziquantel
OP you need to have treated for encysted redworm over the winter months so equest/panacur 5 day.
And we are then getting towards tapeworm time (normally march/april) so depends what you have previously treated with
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Hi is that the strongyle Ester? They picked up 100 epg in my shet's poo in the autumn.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
stronglye is a grouping of different species. In simple terms they are pretty much all the eggs you need to worry about that the horse might have apart from tapeworm and include redworm.
I asked someone about the fact that if you have low counts over the summer does this reduce your chances of problems with the encysted form and they said yes it probably would. The problem comes if you have lots of redworm larvae encysted in the gut and then they all emerge in spring time and tend to cause colic.
TBH if me I would treat for them anyway in the winter.
I think egg counting is a very useful tool over the summer grazing season and done frequently over that time builds up a reasonable guide to the horses worm burden but are of less use over the autumn/winter months when you should be worming (or blood testing) for tapes/encysted redworm anyway!
does that make sense?
I asked someone about the fact that if you have low counts over the summer does this reduce your chances of problems with the encysted form and they said yes it probably would. The problem comes if you have lots of redworm larvae encysted in the gut and then they all emerge in spring time and tend to cause colic.
TBH if me I would treat for them anyway in the winter.
I think egg counting is a very useful tool over the summer grazing season and done frequently over that time builds up a reasonable guide to the horses worm burden but are of less use over the autumn/winter months when you should be worming (or blood testing) for tapes/encysted redworm anyway!
does that make sense?
mymare
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Yes, that makes perfect sense! Thanks ester, will heed your advice.
neddynesbitt
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On a different note I personally would check with your insurance company that just doing worm counts is acceptable to them. Thankfully my lad is upto date with his worming but he was admitted to horsepital after becoming seriously ill on new years day with colitis. It really was very serious & I would have found him dead had we not got him there as soon as I did.
He has never had colic before but after submitting my claim form, I got a letter from the ins company asking of his worming history since I had owned him as the horsepital could not say what had caused it. Sadly we will never know what icaused it but again luckily I have the receipt with my name & postcode on it for Equest Pramox for the last wormer I gave him before he became ill and he was still covered by the wormer.
I'm not sure where you would stand if you only had worm counts done as they don't show encysted redworm or tapeworm.
My lads worm count was clear when they checked it at the horsepital but it didn't stop the ins company asking for his worming history. They have been great & I have just received a cheque from them but I can fully understand why they asked the question.
He has never had colic before but after submitting my claim form, I got a letter from the ins company asking of his worming history since I had owned him as the horsepital could not say what had caused it. Sadly we will never know what icaused it but again luckily I have the receipt with my name & postcode on it for Equest Pramox for the last wormer I gave him before he became ill and he was still covered by the wormer.
I'm not sure where you would stand if you only had worm counts done as they don't show encysted redworm or tapeworm.
My lads worm count was clear when they checked it at the horsepital but it didn't stop the ins company asking for his worming history. They have been great & I have just received a cheque from them but I can fully understand why they asked the question.
Gillb
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A proper worm count programme, correctly run, is perfectly acceptable to insurers and much better proof of parasite status than simply using wormers.
Don't forget the BVA want everyone to give up blanket dosing and to start to target the wormers where they are really needed. No more bunging in moxidectin every quarter.
Don't forget the BVA want everyone to give up blanket dosing and to start to target the wormers where they are really needed. No more bunging in moxidectin every quarter.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
yes but I worry about the amount of incorrect worm counting being done. The sizes of samples, timing of samples and frequency of tests are all very important. I am pleased people are embracing it but I think they are doing it with no more knowledge than they had about worming which in itself causes no end of confusion.
Gillb
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Well Ester I hope that is not the case as I've been on a mission to educate everyone using our service, at least, and most are fine, interested of course in what is best for their horse and open minded enough to learn.
What makes you think there is a lot of incorrect worm counting going on? Is there equally masses of incorrect or non existent worming going on?
Yes sample sizes are small, but taken in series of tests rather than as a one off they prove accurate enough. It is not an exact science after all, looking for low, medium, high rather than exact numbers and for trends over seasons.
At a recent conference I attended an eminent vet confessed that he thought they had been giving incorrect worming advice for 30 years, leading to today's problems with resistance. He also described the manufacturers as having 'brainwashed' owners into current worming paranoia.
What makes you think there is a lot of incorrect worm counting going on? Is there equally masses of incorrect or non existent worming going on?
Yes sample sizes are small, but taken in series of tests rather than as a one off they prove accurate enough. It is not an exact science after all, looking for low, medium, high rather than exact numbers and for trends over seasons.
At a recent conference I attended an eminent vet confessed that he thought they had been giving incorrect worming advice for 30 years, leading to today's problems with resistance. He also described the manufacturers as having 'brainwashed' owners into current worming paranoia.