Rant really

[lurcherlu]

Ok he goes.....

july a friend of mine needed a companion to her mini Shetland gelding, I only had colts at the time and offered her one of our shetland colts on a permanent loan basis. Peter the pony was well handled from a foal when we brought him and was 4 in June. I had lightly backed him, lunged him, taken him out in traffic and was handled daily, would stable alone, and share a stable with our Shetland stallion, would turn out alone or in company, would graze next to mars with electric turned on, never kicked or bit and could be led in by my 3 yea old.

so.... i went to see him 3 weeks ago and they can't catch him, he's always jumping out, they can't groom him and then the icing on the ame they were child minding for me ( also a registered childminder) said pony got out again, and my child was allowed near him (she is 3) and got kicked.......



now have a tet to say they can't kee him and he's not as described.... The issues is I've moved my big mare home and am using a stable up, I do have more grazing up the road for the mare....( too much for Shetland) but she won't. Have a stable and I've just started hunting her arghhhh she's always lived out before until last three months , but is really coming good with the routine

they have suggested a temp home , or send him off to be trained!!!!!i break in all my own horses and help produce others,im a freelance groom on Top of my part time job and know. Can get him right again. I'm gonna have to pay to get him gelded and then find a good home for him unless anyone wants a Shetland for stud ?????


I feel let down by a friend, and I feel lie I've let the pony down. Love him so much just wanted him to be happy in a forever home and to help a friend out .... Rant over, now tomorrow instead of riding my girl I will be moving her onto winter grazing too early and loading my little ginger ninja to bring him home

 

[Arizahn]

Sorry to hear your child was kicked, OP. Get the pony gelded and go from there, would be my advice.

 

[TheMule]

The best thing you can do for the pony is have his testicles removed

 

[lurcherlu]

Thanks it's annoyed me she's just started riding our other Shetland who we also recently gelded, and I've broken in, and is so confident with him, loves mucking out and bringing in etc and generally loves horses. She even loves my big mare, has plenty of horsey sense, won't come in the field with them, stands behind her fence and never feeds from the hand, never goes behind them and always does as she told around horses

 

[Honey08]

The trouble with a permanent loan is that it is just a loan. It means nothing really. Its always best to sell them for £1 or something or there is always the risk of them coming home, no matter if its a friend or a stranger.

I would bring him home, geld him, and let him wander around the yard if need be. The other option is to take up their suggested temporary home until you sort out what needs to be done. But he really should be gelded at that age anyway. Funnily enough there is another 2 yr old Shetland on FB for free to good home. Again he is not gelded, so he has a lot less chance of finding a decent home..

ps. If you geld him and he calms down, I'm sure your little girl will forget all about the incident and get used to him..

 

[lurcherlu]

Everyone saying geld him.... We are, but we have never had a problem with him before EVER. We are going to get him back this weekend and get him gelded ASAP. I don't want him passed pillar to post that why the permanent loan, offered gelding before he went to them but the declined saying it was fine. ......

 

[CrazyCobLady]

Everyone saying geld him.... We are, but we have never had a problem with him before EVER. We are going to get him back this weekend and get him gelded ASAP. I don't want him passed pillar to post that why the permanent loan, offered gelding before he went to them but the declined saying it was fine. ......

Can't you geld him and then try to sell/loan after he's gelded? You would get a lot more people interested. There really is no market for ponies at the moment. Geld him, see if he improves and if not look into other options. Maybe even consider PTS if you're worried about being passed from pillar to post.

 

[lurcherlu]

That's what we going to do. Just annoyed they have let him become unhandled, and basically wild..... He was such a pleasure when I let them have him .....

 

[CrazyCobLady]

That's what we going to do. Just annoyed they have let him become unhandled, and basically wild..... He was such a pleasure when I let them have him .....

I would be annoyed if I were you. However what's done is done and now you're taking him back. Maybe he'll come round and you can have him handled again. I recommend gelding though as it may work wonders and getting him none feral.

 

[WelshD]

one of my ponies was previously owned by a nice family, they had walked him in traffic etc.. in the advert pic he was tied up with a saddle on, when I viewed him and bought him I put bandages on his legs etc and he loaded like an angel

When he arrived with me he went completely feral and I'm not exactly clueless about ponies

It took a long time and some outside help to even start to win him over and even now he isnt at all easy

I have no real explanation for what went wrong - I can only imagine that he is the sort to be upset by a change of home. If I hadnt had seen him in his previous home with my own eyes I wouldnt have believed that it was the same pony

What I am trying to say is that the new owners may not be completely responsible for the situation

 

[Arizahn]

Well, hopefully he will soon be back to how he was. Good luck and hope your daughter is not hurt or upset by what happened

 

[lurcherlu]

one of my ponies was previously owned by a nice family, they had walked him in traffic etc.. in the advert pic he was tied up with a saddle on, when I viewed him and bought him I put bandages on his legs etc and he loaded like an angel

When he arrived with me he went completely feral and I'm not exactly clueless about ponies

It took a long time and some outside help to even start to win him over and even now he isnt at all easy

I have no real explanation for what went wrong - I can only imagine that he is the sort to be upset by a change of home. If I hadnt had seen him in his previous home with my own eyes I wouldnt have believed that it was the same pony

What I am trying to say is that the new owners may not be completely responsible for the situation

Really???? So maybe just maybe he may become slightly normal at home minus his balls???? I'm hoping that after gelding he will be needy like they are after the op and sedate, so be slightly calmer again. I'm not blaming them entirely just so annoyed he is lime this now.....

 

[CrazyCobLady]

Really???? So maybe just maybe he may become slightly normal at home minus his balls???? I'm hoping that after gelding he will be needy like they are after the op and sedate, so be slightly calmer again. I'm not blaming them entirely just so annoyed he is lime this now.....

There may be a logical explanation. WelshD's theory about moving homes is a good one. This could be the case or something else could have happened. You just don't know.

 

[lurcherlu]

Can I lob his balls off, move my horse, him, my dogs, kids and lovely boyfriend to a far away land and live happily ever after please???? Away from everyone including my ex husband..... Who consequently needs gelding too..... Please???? Surely someone has an island somewhere it doesn't need to behot I'm fair and bf is ginger.....

 

[CrazyCobLady]

Can I lob his balls off, move my horse, him, my dogs, kids and lovely boyfriend to a far away land and live happily ever after please???? Away from everyone including my ex husband..... Who consequently needs gelding too..... Please???? Surely someone has an island somewhere it doesn't need to behot I'm fair and bf is ginger.....

Haha. Love your last sentence. Unfortunately I do not own an island but if I did you would be welcome to holiday there.
Geld your ex. Definitely.

 

[lurcherlu]

Crazycoblady you posted on my other thread about hunting my mare yesterday the roan and white one ..... If you buy me an island you can ride her and share her and let her love you , you can even muck out her smelllllllllly sh***y stable if you're lucky

 

[CrazyCobLady]

Crazycoblady you posted on my other thread about hunting my mare yesterday the roan and white one ..... If you buy me an island you can ride her and share her and let her love you , you can even muck out her smelllllllllly sh***y stable if you're lucky

Haha. Thank you.

 

[putasocinit]

Will be easier to loan him in the future if he was gelded, also he will quieten down. Remember horses ponies react the way they do depending on the people handling them, so possibly has been a bit spoilt wholst there, or they are scared of him and he can tell. Poor boy get the ninja home where he belongs. Thank goodness you didnt sell him for £1 what would have happened to him then

 

[lurcherlu]

Will be easier to loan him in the future if he was gelded, also he will quieten down. Remember horses ponies react the way they do depending on the people handling them, so possibly has been a bit spoilt wholst there, or they are scared of him and he can tell. Poor boy get the ninja home where he belongs. Thank goodness you didnt sell him for £1 what would have happened to him then

This exactly..... I've since ridden her horse who rears and is generally dangerous with her, I'm no expert and he's not a saint with me, but I can make him hack, without a lot of force, bring him into a beautiful contact and he doesn't bolt with me......

I'd rather he came back than sold, so yep glad no pound shop deals were done with him

 

[magicgirl]

He could just have woken up and realised he is an entire. The only horses or ponies over the age of 2 or 3 who are still entire should be the ones who are intended to be stallions.

 

[Gloi]

He could just have woken up and realised he is an entire. The only horses or ponies over the age of 2 or 3 who are still entire should be the ones who are intended to be stallions.

Very much so. If he was previously kept in a stable with another stallion he was probably being kept in line by that one and once away had the freedom to grow up and assert himself.
I really wish stallions still needed to be inspected and licensed or gelded. Hopefully this one will soon be gelded and get back to his old behaviour.

 

[CrazyCobLady]

Very much so. If he was previously kept in a stable with another stallion he was probably being kept in line by that one and once away had the freedom to grow up and assert himself.
I really wish stallions still needed to be inspected and licensed or gelded. Hopefully this one will soon be gelded and get back to his old behaviour.

I think OP is determined to have him gelded. Would love updates after he's gelded.

 

[pennyturner]

He could just have woken up and realised he is an entire. The only horses or ponies over the age of 2 or 3 who are still entire should be the ones who are intended to be stallions.

The change of social circumstance can bring about this kind of behaviour in geldings too. Back in his original herd, he may revert to his old behaviors, although being a chestnut shetland...

The balls are not necessarily the problem, behaviourly speaking. I have 5 entires in my herd of 11. They're hacked out by myself and the children, and if I didn't tell you you wouldn't notice.

That said, gelding him is the right thing to do.

 

[CrazyCobLady]

The change of social circumstance can bring about this kind of behaviour in geldings too. Back in his original herd, he may revert to his old behaviors, although being a chestnut shetland...

The balls are not necessarily the problem, behaviourly speaking. I have 5 entires in my herd of 11. They're hacked out by myself and the children, and if I didn't tell you you wouldn't notice.

That said, gelding him is the right thing to do.

Lucky you. Not all stallions are well behaved as they're testosterone driven.
Yours sound lovely.

 

[Sven]

Could just be circumstances, my perfectly behaved old gentlemen (gelding) turned into the hammer horse from hell twice, once when I had to move him temporarily, and another time when I tried a very pretty Welsh A mare as a companion. Sometimes things just don't suit. He reverted back to a gentlemen when status quo was restored.

 

[pennyturner]

Lucky you. Not all stallions are well behaved as they're testosterone driven.
Yours sound lovely.

There are no mares around, and I suspect being in a bachelor herd suppresses their testosterone. I'd love to study it properly. Today I drove my 4yo nf stallion (his second time in harness) past a horse he didn't know. I had to get out and lead him, as he wouldn't go near it - it was bigger than him, and he was frightened. **facepalm**

 

[lurcherlu]

Hi all.... Well he is back home, my mare has been turfed out the stable ( only been in at ight for 3 months of her entire life) she's happily grazing on the very field I fought her home to 2 years ago as a yearling, she seemed happy to be rugged up and left out tonight too.

Peter the Shetland couldn't be transported the 4 miles home so I led him, got there and he was so pleased to see me again, let me in stable which apparently he won't do with loaners, clipped on rope and home we trundled , meeting tractors, buses and lorries. He crossed the main road and realised we were home, screamed his little head off when he saw his old buddy, and when I left mums thought they were grooming over the wall of the stable . I need to spend a day in the stable doing things like feet and taking head collar on and off on and off tomorrow, but then he will be turned out again. Gelding taking place week after next. Then my mare can have her stable back at night time

Thanks for all advice much appreciated, he's never been coltish before and has previously lived next to mares including my girl and never once had an inclination to do anything. The loaner admits she's scared of him so.....

 

[Arizahn]

Glad to hear he is safely home