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ok here we go my horses were threatend last night police contacted me at 23.30 to say they herd the gypsies talking about my horses advised me to move them stright away.i hade the mare and colt shipped away the gypsies turned up at the yard where they hade gone with in half hour.my pony has be injured in the night his eye is ruptured its got to come out .ive made the bigest mistake in my life involving my self in this .i cant take my horses home i may have to move house as they left threats .horse watch nor the owner has contacted me to day to say thanks .the owner of lilly was told not to come to telford because shell be wasteing her time id got it wrong ,horse watch was was reluctant to come and go with the vet and police to get the horse i hade to say you are the rep for the owner come and do it instead of telling every one else what trying to do .the first words she said to me was you will apoligise to every one tomorrow for wasteing there time and hers .she told the police she told the owners not to come as id got it wrong ,she called the girl who sat up all night ia idiot for doing so.she told the same girl ive got my own horses to do instead of sitting here and she said i think the gypsies should have the foal back when its born .she told the girl still wasnt convinced even after the vet had said 100 percent and finally shed like lilly to be kept at the secret location where she is untill a dna test is dont to prove who lilly is all this was said none of this is lies snoopy sue has not got to say sorry to any one shes not a liar im not a liar if i get chucked of the horse watch for this im not botherd ive hade enought and not a call today to say thanks today
 

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My pony has be injured in the night his eye is ruptured its got to come out

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OMG, have u reported this to the police? /rscpa? How did they know where u kept your horses? Do you live right next door to the camp or something?
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Pixi - how awful for you and your horses when all you were doing was trying to help a much loved horse to its owners.
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If I was Lily's owners I would have been there regardless of what I was being told and I would certainly have done more than phone and thank you!
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I hope you get the issue regarding your safety and your horses safety resolved with out anyone or anything getting hurt.
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Well done for doing the right thing even if at the moment I bet it doesn't feel like it.
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been keeping up with this, I am so sorry your pony has been hurt, guess there will be no way of proving who did it and then again there will be further threats of worse if you take it further, what a terrible situation for you. Wish i was near to you I would offer any help i could but Essex is miles away. The police and their attitude to these people over the years has allowed them to become untouchable basically, there are camps around here the police wont enter.
 

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Pixi - Well done for doing the RIGHT thing!!!

I am amazed that the owner isn't kissing your feet atm, and offering you sanctuary for your own horses - I would be so delighted that my horse was found and returned to me, I'd do anything!!!
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So sorry about your horse, and even worse if it has been done deliberately!!
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I hope that your horse is alright!

So, perhaps all of the horse community should start to moan to the relevant authorities about this! People can't be put in this situation purely because they helped and did the correct thing!!!
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It seems to me the correct approach would be to get BHS to speak to the Police authorities - not only were they clearly failing in their duty when the mare was first found, but they have blatantly ignored the fact that Pixi has been threatened. Surely the BHS can get the police to accept that they have failed the horse community - no-one else will want to get involved and the travellers have anarchy and fear to proptect them. Any BHS members care to raise it?
 

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ok here we go my horses were threatend last night police contacted me at 23.30 to say they herd the gypsies talking about my horses advised me to move them stright away.
i hade the mare and colt shipped away the gypsies turned up at the yard where they hade gone with in half hour.
my pony has be injured in the night his eye is ruptured its got to come out .
ive made the bigest mistake in my life involving my self in this .
i cant take my horses home i may have to move house as they left threats .
horse watch nor the owner has contacted me to day to say thanks .
the owner of lilly was told not to come to telford because shell be wasteing her time id got it wrong ,horse watch was was reluctant to come and go with the vet and police to get the horse i hade to say you are the rep for the owner come and do it instead of telling every one else what trying to do .
the first words she said to me was you will apoligise to every one tomorrow for wasteing there time and hers .she told the police she told the owners not to come as id got it wrong ,she called the girl who sat up all night ia idiot for doing so.she told the same girl ive got my own horses to do instead of sitting here and she said i think the gypsies should have the foal back when its born .she told the girl still wasnt convinced even after the vet had said 100 percent and finally shed like lilly to be kept at the secret location where she is untill a dna test is dont to prove who lilly is all this was said none of this is lies snoopy sue has not got to say sorry to any one shes not a liar im not a liar
if i get chucked of the horse watch for this im not botherd ive hade enought and not a call today to say thanks today

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im so sorry this has worked out so badly for you...
you did the right thing and shouldnt have to face into this.

Please make sure you report it to the police although it seems like just more trouble if anything else does go wrong they will be able to reference it....and may have a better case for a prosecution
can you prove that they came to the other yard,did anyone see them?
id be chasing the police on this if you can prove it was them .... they may be able to provide the odd round with the squad car near your home as well for added security

Have anyone who can stay with you at home?or a large dog you could borrow for a while?
id be investing in a shotgun to be honest...but im just not a friendly person when threatened

Could we post this in the New Lounge and see if there is anyone in your area that could help you with the horses in the short term maybe?

....though i suspect they are safe enough now the b@@twards have made their point
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police not to intrested i think ive got 3 reports they have the powers to move them but wont the camp was by my land .told them about eye well actually they rang the police and said them id accused them of the injury they asked some one why the horses were going he said 1 horse hade a eye injury in the night so they took this as a acusation and rang the police.just told the hwatch what i think of her and her attitude to us since i rang her on saturday after noon and lillys owners been to id her and not a f*****g thanks
 

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I'm sorry for you that it has come to this.

I do think that you seriously underestimated the risks of directly approaching some elements of the community and if there was ever a case for ignoring those who encouraged you and others to be gung ho about the whole thing, then this is it.

I hope you can quickly find a safe location for your horses and your family.

to those who though the Police should be tougher I would say that the Police can be tough, and can search places where you may think they fear to tread however to do so requires time, resources and planning and a solid legal basis - this isn't something they can easily tackle on hoof.
 

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I strongly recommend you move your horses a long way away, by the sounds of it they are feeling vengeful and I think this is sadly a good example of why they get away with things, and why they get the reputation they do, even if this is just on isolated group.
I would move, or have enough big lads that they don't think its worth it.
 

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I'm sorry for you that it has come to this.

I do think that you seriously underestimated the risks of directly approaching some elements of the community and if there was ever a case for ignoring those who encouraged you and others to be gung ho about the whole thing, then this is it.

I hope you can quickly find a safe location for your horses and your family.

to those who though the Police should be tougher I would say that the Police can be tough, and can search places where you may think they fear to tread however to do so requires time, resources and planning and a solid legal basis - this isn't something they can easily tackle on hoof.

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I wasn't going to reply to this, but...

You are advocating the same attitude these people want!!! Namely "stay away, we do as we want, when we want, with whatever, and however we want!!"

As for the police, well, they had the information, and were given plenty of time to source resources etc. They also had a positive ID for a stolen horse!!

What use is Horsewatch, Police etc if, when and animal is found and properly identified, they do nothing about it!!

It just makes people think they will not get involved!! How sad!

If your horse was stolen, I'm pretty sure you would want every little scarp of help and assistance you could get, and expect the authorities to upheld the law!! After all, it was theft!!
 

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I'm sorry it came to this, but you should NEVER have gotton involved.

Lilly is a horse - and now YOU are in danger for sticking your neck on the line and trying to help her. This is one of those things you should have just turned your back on and walked away from.

I will not defend the attack on your pony, but I have warned forum users since Lilly was found not to take the piss of the travellers. And I was ignored.

If I'd known you lived next to the camp, I would have shouted all the louder to turn around and walk away.

I do think, now though, that the police need some encouragement in the investigative departments. I think the local papers ought to be contacted in the hopes of embarrasing them into action. Now a human is in danger, they really have to act!
 

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I'm sorry for you that it has come to this.

I do think that you seriously underestimated the risks of directly approaching some elements of the community and if there was ever a case for ignoring those who encouraged you and others to be gung ho about the whole thing, then this is it.

I hope you can quickly find a safe location for your horses and your family.

to those who though the Police should be tougher I would say that the Police can be tough, and can search places where you may think they fear to tread however to do so requires time, resources and planning and a solid legal basis - this isn't something they can easily tackle on hoof.

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I wasn't going to reply to this, but...

You are advocating the same attitude these people want!!! Namely "stay away, we do as we want, when we want, with whatever, and however we want!!"

As for the police, well, they had the information, and were given plenty of time to source resources etc. They also had a positive ID for a stolen horse!!

What use is Horsewatch, Police etc if, when and animal is found and properly identified, they do nothing about it!!

It just makes people think they will not get involved!! How sad!

If your horse was stolen, I'm pretty sure you would want every little scarp of help and assistance you could get, and expect the authorities to upheld the law!! After all, it was theft!!

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Shall I put things into perspective?

One of my neighbours, a horse dealer, was murderer on his doorstep, in front of his 5 children.
Police turned up, put up the tape, switched on the blues and twos, threw out the chopper to look exciting, packed up and went home.
We all knew who killed him. Every Tom, Dick and Harry in the camps knew who killed him. The police probably knew who killed him.
And they walked away.
They walked away knowing full well as long as his killer is free, someone from the camp will be trying to kill him.

If they won't arrest a gypsy for murder, they sure as hell will not arrest a gypsy for stealing a horse. And whilst recovering a horse is obviously more important to you than the murder of one of their own, to me, it says leagues about the police/traveller relations.

The police are just as scared of them as you are. The badges and the uniforms don't protect them enough either.
 

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I'm sorry for you that it has come to this.

I do think that you seriously underestimated the risks of directly approaching some elements of the community and if there was ever a case for ignoring those who encouraged you and others to be gung ho about the whole thing, then this is it.

I hope you can quickly find a safe location for your horses and your family.

to those who though the Police should be tougher I would say that the Police can be tough, and can search places where you may think they fear to tread however to do so requires time, resources and planning and a solid legal basis - this isn't something they can easily tackle on hoof.

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I wasn't going to reply to this, but...

You are advocating the same attitude these people want!!! Namely "stay away, we do as we want, when we want, with whatever, and however we want!!"

As for the police, well, they had the information, and were given plenty of time to source resources etc. They also had a positive ID for a stolen horse!!

What use is Horsewatch, Police etc if, when and animal is found and properly identified, they do nothing about it!!

It just makes people think they will not get involved!! How sad!

If your horse was stolen, I'm pretty sure you would want every little scarp of help and assistance you could get, and expect the authorities to upheld the law!! After all, it was theft!!

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YOu don't know me so you will never know how wrong you are.

I am absolutely in favour of dealing firmly with those who steal and handle horses, however I do understand the importance of careful planning, adequate resources to do a job right the first time and the legal implications of recovering horses.

I have had some success with recovering horses and with securing good outcomes for people in criminal and civil courts, mostly having spent weeks or months of my own time to ensure all the necessary evidence is correct.

Planning is everything. The people who had that horse should never have been challenged until everything else was in place, even if that took another day or more to arrange.

Too late to worry about that in this case of course
 

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I didn't say I was scared of them!!! I didn't mention anything about travelers actually, I made the point that people who commit theft, should be subject to the law of this land!!!

Your experience is very tragic, and I hope they catch the person who did it. However, if the authorities won't do the job our taxes pay them to do then what hope have we??? Anarchy??

BTW I know what terror is, I lived with it!!!
 

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I wonder how long it will be before they steal lily back....thats usually the next step over here
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Harper_girl i suspect you were ignored because you suggested the only way lily was going to be returned was if they paid up the 2500 or went to the local head or king of the family and because you seemed very aggrieved by the negative reactions to the negative comments about the comunity involved....

i do understand where your comming from though...(hence the shotgun comment...i wasnt joking,id be terrified in this situation and would want some form of protection that i dont trust the guards to provide)
...dealing aggresively with this community rarely ends well but hopefully they will be happy with their revenge as it is and just let it rest.
 

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OMG!!! I cant believe the way this is going i've not commented on this story at all but have followed it.

I cant believe it, just really cant!! I think now you have all started jumping up and down... you are now going to have to keep jumping up and down. I know we have some of these people in our area, and no one wants to get on the wrong side of them.

If this is an illegal camp i would keep fighting to have them moved on now!

FAiling that maybe nuke the lot of them??

I really hope you sort this out. Really do think the papers should be contacted... I would go for the sun they love a story like this!

CAnt believe no one has even thanked you!
 

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Pixie - I hope you, your family and your horses are ok and safe.

Could someone PM me with what has happened over the weekend ( i presume it can't be put on here) - I haven't been on so have missed what has happened

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So to the people who say pixi should of ignored this stolen horse i have one thing to say and it will be the last on this subject from me:-
If god forbid your horse is stolen in the night and for 18 months you heard nothing at all i hope when a passerby spots your horse chained to a muddy bank with no food also put in foal by the people who have it.
I hope that the passerby who recognises it as a stolen horse does not take your advice and walk away and ignore it, because i for one would not want that for my horses.
But rest assured everyone local involved in the rescue of this horse will not be doing so again because the attitude of the authorities and people involved to be honest stank so there is my last word.
 

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I agree snoopysue. It angers me so much the power these travellers seem to think they have. The police should have stepped in sooner and they should assert their authority.

Maybe Pixi shouldn't have gone in and made it obvious who they were that had reported the horse BUT what do we as the public do, just turn a blind eye to theft and violence?

I don't believe we should but I do think it's disgusting that we have to take the law into our own hands because the police can't be bothered! Well, it's too much paperwork for not enough reward isn't it! The poice didn't ahve time alsdt night to send a squad car round to move on some lads in cars who we know damn well are parking at the end of the track to our field and dealing drugs (we've seen them), plus dumping rubbish and god knows what else they could be up to! But no, the police didn't have time for this. They did however have time to drive round the village and deliver xmas cards to members of the parish council!!!

Oh yes that's using their resources effectively isn't it!!!

The police only ever seem to be there when it's too late in my opinion, when someone's dead, when your property's been destroyed etc - then it's all "our condolences to the family" and all that cr*p. All you think is, well if they'd listened to start with this may never have happened. A friend of mine was murdered by her ex - it should never have happened if the police had taken notice of the threats etc she had received over the weeks/months before but they did nothing!
 

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I imagine it is now very difficult for you pixi, the thing which I noticed on the original thread though is didnt you go into the camp and show the travellers the pictures of lilly from the stolen horse register? To me that seemed a very foolhardy thing to do when you are based so close basiucally indicating to them that you were the one who started all this.

I hope the pony with the injured eye recovers.
 

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Pixi well done for your brave actions, and I am sorry to hear of the trouble you have had since getting involved.

You did the right thing in reporting this, but I hope that what has happened to you will serve as a warning to people to be very careful where the travelling community are concerned.

For your own safety you need to get yourself out of harms way and play merry hell with the police for their failure in protecting you and dealing with these people.

Complain to the police complaints authority, complain to your MP, write to the Horsewatch head office and to the BHS and RSPCA. Demand that the police do something for your safety and do not hesitate to ring 999 if you feel in the slightest bit threatened.

A bit of advice a friend of mine received when she was having trouble with travellers at the pub she ran was that if she felt threatened she should call the police on 999 and give the details but should hang up as if she'd been cut off as this bumps the call up the emergency priority list. She was told this by a police officer after she had called to report that someone was in her property while her and her daughter were upstairs.

Don't hesitate to make it clear to them if you have children on site or if you are a woman alone.

Do everything you can to make yourself safe. Borrow a guard dog and get burgler alarms, but do not resort to weaponry, this often backfires and causes conflicts to escallate and the weapon to be turned on the victim.

Make sure that the police have many reports of your fears, including written ones and that they are sent to the highest level. Make them too scared of the repercussions to ignore you.
 
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