Recent email about storing vehicles

[ILuvCowparsely]

HI.

I am sure it was in the last year where there was a discussion about storing vehicles on a yard. I am not sure if i asked this question on here. My husband would rather fill the fields up with vehicles and get rid of the horses saying he would make more money out of this than I do out of the livery.

I am sure someone said there is a liability issue with doing this and the yard would be responsible for the vehicles.

Is it true??

I need something to dissuade his moronic idea. This is my yard I run it but he always put me down.

He keeps telling me I am not in the real world, and the liveries next door never move theirs so there is no call for hiring vehicles which I want to do. I said you never out there all the time but because they don't move when he walks past, then they are never used fact! (he says)

TIA

 

[teapot]

I think you'd need hefty insurance to cover any damage, theft etc

 

[The Xmas Furry]

1. He might well have to apply for change use to b8 - storage of vehicles. (unlikely to be given if agricultural land)
2. Insurance for all cover required.
3. An environmental plan is likely to be required to cover any potential spillage (this can and does happen!)

Probably more to add, but most yards don't do this as the primary use is livery yard.
If your DH wants to kick out liveries and start a storage facility business, he really needs to give his head a wobble and bone up on all the relevant legislation, good luck!

 

[AmyMay]

If it’s your yard and your business tell him to bog off.

 

[nagblagger]

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I agree...it may be time for a relationship review!

 

[Polos Mum]

This is my yard I run it but he always put me down.

He keeps telling me I am not in the real world

I would suggest some counselling or relationship guidance - this is not a healthy way to describe you and him interacting.

While running a livery is really hard (and I've no idea how they make money) and storing caravans looks idyllic to me vs. mucking out / dealing with liveries.
These are things you should be discussing as adults and making decisions together based on facts / healthy debate.
I don't think many YO do it because they think it's the best financial return on their capital / time - but that isn't really the point. They (and you presumably) do it because you like it.

Or if it's you yard solely - just tell him to keep his nose out of your yard - thanks very much.

If it's something you are interested in pursuing - I'd have a look at local existing facilities to get a sense of pricing (set up costs - fences and security cameras) and liability arrangements.
Most (for caravans anyway) make you sign a wavier so the insurance would only be the same as you have already for people on your property tripping over stuff. You don't insure peoples horses for theft even though you're responsible for their security while they are on your yard - same with a vehicle.
In fact it would probably be illegal to double insure a vehicle - and the owner would have to have insurance to drive on the road.

 

[teapot]

If it's something you are interested in pursuing - I'd have a look at local existing facilities to get a sense of pricing (set up costs - fences and security cameras) and liability arrangements.
Most (for caravans anyway) make you sign a wavier so the insurance would only be the same as you have already for people on your property tripping over stuff. You don't insure peoples horses for theft even though you're responsible for their security while they are on your yard - same with a vehicle.
In fact it would probably be illegal to double insure a vehicle - and the owner would have to have insurance to drive on the road.

You say that but this is why yards will insure against theft if providing storage. If you're providing a safe secure site to store anything, and it turned out it wasn't - the owner of whatever was stolen could have a field day in court with you.

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

If it’s your yard and your business tell him to bog off.

Sadly Amy

My husband bought it (after my finding it as he was in middle east) so stuck, He has dementia or Alzheimer's he won't get checked but symptoms are all there, and he gets argumentative so i cannot win.

Thanx for the input

 

[honetpot]

My step father stored caravans, in his empty barns and had a touring caravan site. Compared to farming it was easy money.
To perhaps keep the peace allocate an area, then wait for someone to complain, the you are not seen as the one that is stopping him.
I have a neighbour who has collected all sorts of left over building materials, cars, and a portable hanger( which the wind took the cover off the first time we had any wind), and the planers have done nothing. I have planted trees which I hope will eventually hide it

 

[nagblagger]

I'm sorry to hear that ILC, can you get him to your Gp for something else eg flu jab, obviously informing your Gp of the situation..
It must be very hard for you.

 

[Archangel]

The problem with putting cars on a field is the damp. Plus mouses will build nests in the car and munch their way through all the wiring. It can't be good for a car to be stored on a field.

You would also have comings and goings - people are always pushing the boundaries.

What would happen if someone parking their car rammed another of the cars? It would be on private land so not sure they would be covered.

 

[SantaVera]

If he's got dementia things are only going to get worse he really does need to see a doctor. The vehicle storage thing could be related to the dementia, you need to get him medical help and some info for yourself about living with a partner with dementia. Take time to take care of yourself.

 

[Steerpike]

As said above it isn't as easy as it sounds storing vehicles,the amount of vehicles my husband saw coming through his garage that had been stored and rats, mice had got in and chewed through a lot of wiring ect, also paint work ruined by having tarpaulin covers. He now does the odd day at a quad/farm buggy workshop and is always getting them in with rat damage.

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

The problem with putting cars on a field is the damp. Plus mouses will build nests in the car and munch their way through all the wiring. It can't be good for a car to be stored on a field.

You would also have comings and goings - people are always pushing the boundaries.

What would happen if someone parking their car rammed another of the cars? It would be on private land so not sure they would be covered.

very good point y, also someone pointed out the council could see through google earth and neighbour could report him

My American car was not use through covid, and mice had wrecked the cover giving birth and chewing holes, and blood in the cover it was gross. Gosh getting some really good points on this post
Also we would have to mow the field dampness in vehicles. Storage would be caravans, trailers horseboxes he said.

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

The problem with putting cars on a field is the damp. Plus mouses will build nests in the car and munch their way through all the wiring. It can't be good for a car to be stored on a field.

You would also have comings and goings - people are always pushing the boundaries.

What would happen if someone parking their car rammed another of the cars? It would be on private land so not sure they would be covered.

My step father stored caravans, in his empty barns and had a touring caravan site. Compared to farming it was easy money.
To perhaps keep the peace allocate an area, then wait for someone to complain, the you are not seen as the one that is stopping him.
I have a neighbour who has collected all sorts of left over building materials, cars, and a portable hanger( which the wind took the cover off the first time we had any wind), and the planers have done nothing. I have planted trees which I hope will eventually hide it

trouble is our paddocks are only about 2. acres something each and we use two and rest two, so to enable it we would have to get rid of livery horses thus loosing more money

 

[The Bouncing Bog Trotter]

It will definitely need planning permission. Do you know anyone on your parish council that you can speak to, Someone who is on the planning committee who can give you some guidance? Our local planning authority have drones that they fly to check out planning infringements.

With regards to the dementia issue can you speak to one of the charities for Guidance? Often those affected lack insight into their condition and changed behaviour, or notice the changes and are terrified, lashing out at those closest. There will be organisations out there that can help.

 

[moosea]

I think earlier posters have pointed out that damp would be a major issue. The sort of people who want to pay decent money for storing cars want secure, dry, concrete base storage, with electrics, plenty of access 24/7 and many of them will want to work on their cars using noisey dirty power tools. The type of people who want cheap, grass storage for cars will want to dump them, or strip them (high risk of contaminating the land.) possibly because they may be stolen. You'll need to keep on top of people leaving rubbish around?
Doubt anyone would pay more than basic diy rate for that as most people have outdoor storage at their home.

 

[SEL]

The guy who owns the fields next to me stores some vehicles and caravans there. It looks a mess but attracts the local population of light fingered thieves - so I rarely have problems because there's so much more interesting stuff next door.

All his stuff is junk / mate's gear / done as a favour so I doubt there's insurance (not judging by the moaning after the last break in!) but the amount of damage that can be done in a short time is impressive. Vehicles stripped of anything that could be sold, fencing damaged etc.

Even the legitimate caravan place near me has had stuff stolen and they have gates, CCTV etc. I wonder if it would knock it on the head once and for all if you wrote a business plan and applied for planning - would your field neighbours put up a good protest?

 

[scats]

Our YO has caravan storage, but it’s on hard standing. It’s a nice little money maker on top of a few liveries. I assume she has some kind of insurance though and there is room to store a lot so it’s worthwhile.
We did have one incident of break ins a few years ago but CCTV stopped that.

Old yard also had caravan storage on hard standing (large amount- over 100). Security measures in place were a bollard and electric gate. Unfortunately, some were stolen through one of the winter grazing fields onto the main road. My dads friend actually lost his motorhome as it was used to tow a caravan and then dumped a few hundred miles away when the engine packed in.

So insurance is definitely a must.

 

[dorsetladette]

There is a place local to us that stores caravans and also has ponies. I can't tell you if its liveries or if the caravans are on hardstanding as I've never been there, but they seem to have caravans stolen a couple of times a year. Last time they took the caravans across the ponies fields and smashed the gate and gate posts getting out/in. Luckily ponies were all ok but it could of so easily been a different story.

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

I think earlier posters have pointed out that damp would be a major issue. The sort of people who want to pay decent money for storing cars want secure, dry, concrete base storage, with electrics, plenty of access 24/7 and many of them will want to work on their cars using noisey dirty power tools. The type of people who want cheap, grass storage for cars will want to dump them, or strip them (high risk of contaminating the land.) possibly because they may be stolen. You'll need to keep on top of people leaving rubbish around?
Doubt anyone would pay more than basic diy rate for that as most people have outdoor storage at their home.

As mentioned it is not cars but caravans trailers and boxes.

 

[AmyMay]

As mentioned it is not cars but caravans trailers and boxes.

They will still have issues left in a field, especially from mice.

 

[moosea]

As mentioned it is not cars but caravans trailers and boxes.

Lovely and when they come to get their caravan/ trailer or box at 5.30am and it's sunk into the mud who is going to get them out?
The damp and theft issues still apply.

 

[Ratface]

Hi ILCP. I'm really sorry to read that you're having to deal with your husband's changing mental health.
Apart from the aggravation of his caravan storage vs. livery yard idea, you are facing the likely changes in your husband's personality, due to physical changes in his brain.
Have you thought of having a consultation with your GP on your own behalf? This might be a useful source of practical and emotional support for you at a difficult time of transition in your relationship with your husband.
Together with the necessity of a planning application for the notional caravan storage, it may well buy you time before anything has to be changed from the current setup.
Also, have a read round The Alzheimers Society website. They're really supportive for relatives of people living with this particularly cruel disorder.

 

[Goldenstar]

There is good money in caravan and motor home storage .
The hours are short , they rarely need attention in the dark and staff costs are low .
They parks are open restricted hours during the day it’s much easier than livery .
Of course he would need to research the planning implications as it’s change of use and the farmer / ex livery owner I know who does it has hard standings they are not parked on grass grass is a problem because of mice he also has extensive security and tall metal security fencing .