red line on toe of bare hoof?

[amandaco2]

Horse has always had very flat hooves and struggled on stones or rough surfaces.
She had a diet over haul two months ago.
now on fast fibre, hay, pro balance and linseed meal. Not over weight (can see ribs atm)
Shes fine on the arena or smooth tarmac and small stones, but does need boots for big stones (eg hardcore park)
She's developed a red line at the toe callous its behind the white line (I think)
What could cause this?is it anything to worry about?
She used to have quite a stretched line but it looks a lot better and she's certainly less prone to getting stones/holes in it now.

 

[ester]

wormers/vaccinations? Frank's had a couple visible on his hind feet as they are white- oh and one much earlier which we think was the result of the spillers extra energy feed

 

[cptrayes]

If it's not actually in the white line but in the sole then it's many weeks old by the time it shows.If in the white line it could be current bleeding from the laminae caused by concussion or physical stress or diet.

Is she happy on her feet??

 

[amandaco2]

She's due a wormer, last done in November.
Vaccinations last done September.
She had trauma at end of November as she got hit by a car but she's been back in work about eleven weeks now.
Field is brown, nothing much happening in terms of grass....

 

[amandaco2]

She's as normal on her hooves.
Still putting boots on her for going across the car park as its got big stones and she's an old injury on a forehoof so can get stones easily wedged in....
Got a pic of the hoof to put up

 

[cptrayes]

She's due a wormer, last done in November.
Vaccinations last done September.
She had trauma at end of November as she got hit by a car but she's been back in work about eleven weeks now.
Field is brown, nothing much happening in terms of grass....

My guess would be that it dates from coming back into work after time off. If she is sound I would ignore it.

 

[amandaco2]

What is it though...just the forces of coming back into work from box rest causing bruising on 'soft hooves'?
Just curious, I don't like the idea her hooves have bled inside :-0
She's done a lot of work in the arena and only short spells on the lanes as she's understandably scared.

 

[amandaco2]

 

[amandaco2]

Sorry about the arena surface filled hoof, didn't have a brush on me to clean it out!

 

[cptrayes]

What is it though...just the forces of coming back into work from box rest causing bruising on 'soft hooves'?
Just curious, I don't like the idea her hooves have bled inside :-0
She's done a lot of work in the arena and only short spells on the lanes as she's understandably scared.

I think so. I saw the exact same thing on my recent rehab who had not worked for a year until I took him on. Your photo is fascinating. That line looks like the outline of the pedal bone, doesn't it? Mine did not go quite so far round but the toe was identical. It's probably many weeks old by now, try not to worry if she's happy with her feet.

 

[amandaco2]

Pedal bone....Eeek, that's scary.
She's been fine and sound back in work......, except for a day of her inhand walking prior to ridden work...she was doing ten mins 3-4x day on the concrete yard (built up over several weeks of course) and she went slightly footy for a day.....could stem all the way back to this?(being months ago)

 

[brucea]

Could well do. Poor wee soul - that must have been quite scary for her.

Just keep an eye on it - it should grow out.

 

[cptrayes]

Pedal bone....Eeek, that's scary.
She's been fine and sound back in work......, except for a day of her inhand walking prior to ridden work...she was doing ten mins 3-4x day on the concrete yard (built up over several weeks of course) and she went slightly footy for a day.....could stem all the way back to this?(being months ago)

Timing would be spot on. I have seen an estimate, by Jaime Jackson I think, that blood lines appearing in the sole, as opposed to the white line, are around 15 weeks later than the injury. You will sometimes see quite a thick crescent of blood in the sole about 3 or 4 months after a bad laminitic attack.

Don't forget, too, what a teeny tiny amount of blood can turn water quite pink. This was a very little bleed from around the pedal bone a long time ago, by the look of it. Nothing to worry about now.

 

[amandap]

Also blood stays red until exposed to air. That's how the red line stays as it grows down the hoof, it's sealed in the wall and hoof structure.

 

[Moggy89]

It looks like deep bruising, however as has been said before it does look to me the shape of the pedal bone and I would defiantly check for laminitis ASAP (even though you have said she is not lame)
The bruising does not look exactly like any I have seen before on a a laminiti, (more a toe and not going backwards) But I would really get it looked at by a vet just be be sure.

 

[amandaco2]

She's got no dig pulses and is sound on smooth hard surfaces. She's on a very bare field with hay.....

 

[amandaco2]

And she's also just done two dressage tests, not its not just me thinking she's sound.
In the accident she got hit behind and thrown forwards so I am not suprised she bruised herself.....

 

[Moggy89]

What was the accident she had?
Well you know the horse better than anyone and if she is sound the probs fine. Just that would be my first though seeing bruising like that, but could have been caused by the accident and movement of hoof then? But do remember laminitis is not just caused by loads of food, can be shock related too. But does not sound like it if is sound.

 

[amandaco2]

The accident was being hit by a car.
She's back in work now and on her third week of canter. She had box rest immediately post accident and her diet was hay and fast fibre to give her antibiotics and sedation. I guess she could have had lami then, but she Definately doesn't now. The accident was November

 

[cptrayes]

Would the timing fit with going for a hooley when she was first allowed out after box rest, when her feet would have been weak from lack of movement, and maybe the ground was frozen too?

 

[amandaco2]

Hmm well she was allowed on the concrete yard and was fine for a week pottering with my geriatric....then she jumped out over a five bar gate to have a graze on the back lawn!!! This was late December/early Jan.

 

[cptrayes]

Hmm well she was allowed on the concrete yard and was fine for a week pottering with my geriatric....then she jumped out over a five bar gate to have a graze on the back lawn!!! This was late December/early Jan.

That would do it!!

The timing is perfect - 12 - 14 weeks.

Let me guess - is the mark in the foot she likes to land on when she jumps??