seabiscuit
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Ellie has a Weatherbys passport which just says 2003 bay filly with her sire/dam details, so I now want to register her proper name with Weatherbys. How do I go about this and how much does it cost?
Registering a name with Wetherbys
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Baggybreeches
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I think you just choose a name, and then they charge a small fee to update the passport, but all they do is write the name on, Sovereign is known as Queen's Prize bay Colt, and at the side in handwriting it says his racing name!
seabiscuit
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They write the name on, you mean they dont even bother to print out a proper piece of paper?
Thats totally crap!!
Thats totally crap!!
Maesfen
Extremely Old Nag!
Ring Weatherbys (01933 440077) and ask for Stud Book dept. they're very nice to deal with. Tell them what you want and they'll probably send NC2 (Reg. of name) form to you. You have to propose four names (but you can ask when you ring if the name you want is taken which saves a bit of hassle; they'll also let you reserve your name if it's free for a couple of weeks) Last year when I sent about Twiggy, the fee for a name was £105.50 with an extra £33 to put her on the broodmare register; glad I didn't do it just yet now! There might also be a fee of £36 for change of ownership I'm not sure.
Nothing you do with Weatherbys is cheap but it's one of those things better done early than late (it's only £81.50 to name something under two!)
Hope this helps.
Nothing you do with Weatherbys is cheap but it's one of those things better done early than late (it's only £81.50 to name something under two!)
Hope this helps.
Allykat
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Yes I was going to add it will cost you around the £100 mark just for them to write a name on!!!!
My TB is "Bay colt 26th April 2000" I sent the pasport off with change of ownership and a note to say he was now a gelding....cost £28. Passport returns with a rubber stamp mark on the front saying "gelded since registration" and my name and address handwritten inside!!! I asked for a naming form but was a little shocked by the cost of what could just be a name for a happy hacker
My horse will remain technically nameless....just means if we do embarrassingly bad at a show, I can change his name next time we go
My TB is "Bay colt 26th April 2000" I sent the pasport off with change of ownership and a note to say he was now a gelding....cost £28. Passport returns with a rubber stamp mark on the front saying "gelded since registration" and my name and address handwritten inside!!! I asked for a naming form but was a little shocked by the cost of what could just be a name for a happy hacker
My horse will remain technically nameless....just means if we do embarrassingly bad at a show, I can change his name next time we go
Taboo1968
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Isn't it limited to no more than 18 letters? When I named my filly they said no more than 18 letters!
Maesfen
Extremely Old Nag!
Yes, 18 letters only, forgot that part, thanks!
seabiscuit
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Pat thank you so much for all that info- really appreciated. I am shocked at the price!!
I will have to think about that!
What exactly would you say are the benefits of registering a name? Sorry if that is a very obvious question!
What exactly would you say are the benefits of registering a name? Sorry if that is a very obvious question!
seabiscuit
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I like your thinking!!
I think I might be tempted to change names too if things go wrong at shows!
But definately not impressed about the price, nor am I impressed about the handwriting!
But definately not impressed about the price, nor am I impressed about the handwriting!
Allykat
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To be honest it doesn't bother me that my horse is nameless (Don't suppose he minds either
) If I decide to affiliate I would register a name with the individual affiliating body anyway.
I've come close to pretending that he has a different name
I've come close to pretending that he has a different name
georgiegirl2
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I've been meaning to ask this as twigs passport simply says 2003 bay filly. the price is pretty off putting to be honest for a simple piece of paper. Will I need to get this done though to compete her in shows ie byeh classes and (eventually hopefully) BE?
mandy4727
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Sure I have a form to change ownership and it is only £10.50. £15 at the most.
Maesfen
Extremely Old Nag!
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Pat thank you so much for all that info- really appreciated. I am shocked at the price!!
I will have to think about that!
What exactly would you say are the benefits of registering a name? Sorry if that is a very obvious question!
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TBH, I don't think it really matters if you didn't breed her yourselves; if you did then it means a bit more to you personally doesn't it? Before computers came into use, it was nigh on impossible to trace a horse if you only had the breeding to hand; now of course, it is easier with databases.
If you had bred her, it would mean you would be able to 'trace' her forever, which could be handy if it won any breeder prizes! You'd also be able to trace her/watch for her in results, that sort of thing, with other societies as they have to be registered with their first name even if it is changed at some later date.
In your case, to register with BE, it doesn't really matter, if the breeder couldn't be bothered to take the trouble to do it before selling that is their loss I feel. But if she had been named on her passport then that name is the one you should use to be correct. You should also keep the same name with however many you register with.
But another thing to make you think - if you wanted to put her to another TB at some time in the future, if she isn't named with Weatherbys, she will be unable to be moved onto the broodmare register, which in turn, means you will be unable to register your foal as a thoroughbred with Weatherbys; which in turn, means if it should be quick enough, it will be unable to race, even point to point, except in a Member's race; so there is that to think about too; you could be passing up a golden oppurtunity! As I said before, the earlier you register the cheaper it is so you have to weigh it up carefully.
Whenever I have named something, I have always had the passport returned with the new details (Name, DOB, sire, dam, grandsire) typed and overstamped by W.s and inserted into the passport; all of the passports I have here atm, all have the same method too, they are not just a handwritten piece of paper floating around. You can always trust a Weatherbys passport too, there's that to consider as well.
Pat thank you so much for all that info- really appreciated. I am shocked at the price!!
What exactly would you say are the benefits of registering a name? Sorry if that is a very obvious question!
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TBH, I don't think it really matters if you didn't breed her yourselves; if you did then it means a bit more to you personally doesn't it? Before computers came into use, it was nigh on impossible to trace a horse if you only had the breeding to hand; now of course, it is easier with databases.
If you had bred her, it would mean you would be able to 'trace' her forever, which could be handy if it won any breeder prizes! You'd also be able to trace her/watch for her in results, that sort of thing, with other societies as they have to be registered with their first name even if it is changed at some later date.
In your case, to register with BE, it doesn't really matter, if the breeder couldn't be bothered to take the trouble to do it before selling that is their loss I feel. But if she had been named on her passport then that name is the one you should use to be correct. You should also keep the same name with however many you register with.
But another thing to make you think - if you wanted to put her to another TB at some time in the future, if she isn't named with Weatherbys, she will be unable to be moved onto the broodmare register, which in turn, means you will be unable to register your foal as a thoroughbred with Weatherbys; which in turn, means if it should be quick enough, it will be unable to race, even point to point, except in a Member's race; so there is that to think about too; you could be passing up a golden oppurtunity! As I said before, the earlier you register the cheaper it is so you have to weigh it up carefully.
Whenever I have named something, I have always had the passport returned with the new details (Name, DOB, sire, dam, grandsire) typed and overstamped by W.s and inserted into the passport; all of the passports I have here atm, all have the same method too, they are not just a handwritten piece of paper floating around. You can always trust a Weatherbys passport too, there's that to consider as well.
PapaFrita
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I expect you'll be wanting to name her something marvellous like Charlie Big Potato... unfortunately that's taken
vicijp
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But another thing to make you think - if you wanted to put her to another TB at some time in the future, if she isn't named with Weatherbys, she will be unable to be moved onto the broodmare register, which in turn, means you will be unable to register your foal as a thoroughbred with Weatherbys; which in turn, means if it should be quick enough, it will be unable to race, even point to point, except in a Member's race;
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*Whispers* The produce could go on the WNTR, and still race, but the progeny sale value would be seriously knocked for ever more.
Once you get to a certain age it gets cheaper. Not sure if its 4yo or 5yo - and cant find the forms at the mo so that may be the cheaper price!
F, if you want me to check to see if a name is available I can do it online at the Weatherbys admin site.
But another thing to make you think - if you wanted to put her to another TB at some time in the future, if she isn't named with Weatherbys, she will be unable to be moved onto the broodmare register, which in turn, means you will be unable to register your foal as a thoroughbred with Weatherbys; which in turn, means if it should be quick enough, it will be unable to race, even point to point, except in a Member's race;
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*Whispers* The produce could go on the WNTR, and still race, but the progeny sale value would be seriously knocked for ever more.
Once you get to a certain age it gets cheaper. Not sure if its 4yo or 5yo - and cant find the forms at the mo so that may be the cheaper price!
F, if you want me to check to see if a name is available I can do it online at the Weatherbys admin site.
Fahrenheit
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I named a 11yo horse with wetherbys and it cost well over £100 about 5 years ago - Now I wouldn't bother, i'd just write the name I wanted in the passport myself, alright its not official but would suit me for my purposes.
Worried1
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When I registered Maddie with Wetherbys she too was just registered as 2002 chestnut filly. I paid £75 for the privilege of giving her a name and a sticky label to cover up the bit that siad 2002 chestnut filly!
sallyf
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As the breeder of said filly she is fully registered with Weatherbys just not named which is the norm for most breeders.
On the whole they dont get named until they race as whoever races them tends to name them themselves.
In this case she has gone to Forest to event not race.
She is on the GSB as mother and father both raced and are fully registered.
She doesnt need naming with Weatherbys unless she is raced or is bred from ,unfortunately it is quite expensive but it doesnt make any differance at what age you name them it still costs the same.
We passport all of our horses but dont give them an official name as it would probably only get changed anyway.
If you go to the sales and buy a high percentage of youngsters sold wont be named.
On the whole they dont get named until they race as whoever races them tends to name them themselves.
In this case she has gone to Forest to event not race.
She is on the GSB as mother and father both raced and are fully registered.
She doesnt need naming with Weatherbys unless she is raced or is bred from ,unfortunately it is quite expensive but it doesnt make any differance at what age you name them it still costs the same.
We passport all of our horses but dont give them an official name as it would probably only get changed anyway.
If you go to the sales and buy a high percentage of youngsters sold wont be named.
sallyf
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Forrest give Weatherbys a ring they are really helpful and will tell you exactly how much it costs these days.
Tel no is 01933 440077 ask for stud book department
Tel no is 01933 440077 ask for stud book department
vicijp
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Ive always thought that as standard too Sally. If you sell a store with a name no one will buy will they? They assume its been in training and tried.
sallyf
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Exactly it devalues it as people think its a reject.
lucysnapshot
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my gelding had a weatherbys passport with no name and i rang them up they sent a form out and i had to pay a small amount £14 i think and they hand wrote my name and address and stamped gelded since registration
seabiscuit
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Thanks everyone, Sally I will ring Wetherbys and have a chat to them! Vici thanks for the offer re the name availability, I may get in touch with you about that!
Sally- Ellie has been backed and riding for 5 days now,she was pratically asleep yesterday riding her, LOL.She feels very wide !!
She is very impressive on the lunge-of her own doing she does lovely walk to canter transitions and flying changes!
Papa Frita- DAMMIT !! I wanted Charlie Big Potato!! Not fair! Grr...
Sally- Ellie has been backed and riding for 5 days now,she was pratically asleep yesterday riding her, LOL.She feels very wide !!
She is very impressive on the lunge-of her own doing she does lovely walk to canter transitions and flying changes!
Papa Frita- DAMMIT !! I wanted Charlie Big Potato!! Not fair! Grr...
Maesfen
Extremely Old Nag!
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Exactly it devalues it as people think its a reject.
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I think that only really applies if you decide to send to the sales doesn't it and it is easy enough to check whether a horse has raced or not?
The people that usually name a youngster with W are more than likely going to want to show it in youngstock classes or aim to keep it. I know someone a few years back that had a beautiful TB filly, it won everywhere at county level, she was a seriously top class animal and a lot of people were clamouring to buy or have a youngster out of her but she had only named it with the HIS (shows you how long ago!
) When she eventually put it to another TB, she had to go through the naming process and the name she had used all those years and so successfully had already been taken; she was not given the option of having a number behind the name, so she had to choose a completely different one which nobody would know. It cut down her potential market enormously cos most of the people that had wanted to buy either the mare or the offspring had wanted to buy that name. To buy the youngster, even though it was out of that mare, because you couldn't use that name, devalued that enormously because that's what the people had wanted, to buy the known success story not an unknown even though it was the same horse if that makes sense.
So you see, in some cases, it makes sense to name your youngsters cos that name is meant to go with them for life, it will always be on their passport, even if at some stage (and at even greater expense, £360 it was last year!) someone wants to change it officially. There are pro's and cons for both ways. I personally, always name my lot cos I'm sad!
Exactly it devalues it as people think its a reject.
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I think that only really applies if you decide to send to the sales doesn't it and it is easy enough to check whether a horse has raced or not?
The people that usually name a youngster with W are more than likely going to want to show it in youngstock classes or aim to keep it. I know someone a few years back that had a beautiful TB filly, it won everywhere at county level, she was a seriously top class animal and a lot of people were clamouring to buy or have a youngster out of her but she had only named it with the HIS (shows you how long ago!
So you see, in some cases, it makes sense to name your youngsters cos that name is meant to go with them for life, it will always be on their passport, even if at some stage (and at even greater expense, £360 it was last year!) someone wants to change it officially. There are pro's and cons for both ways. I personally, always name my lot cos I'm sad!
sallyf
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Forrest I'm glad she's going we will have to try and get to see her when we have finnished foaling and are less busy.
Allykat
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Sure I have a form to change ownership and it is only £10.50. £15 at the most.
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Yes you are right......I stand corrected
It was the horse passport agency that charged £28 for a change of ownership
Sure I have a form to change ownership and it is only £10.50. £15 at the most.
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Yes you are right......I stand corrected