Registering a Prefix- help please!

[MillionDollar]

I'd like to register a prefix, but it says you have to put what breed society it will be with? So I'll be registering the foals with Wetherbys (i think at the moment) so do i just put that down? What happens if i breed say a Welsh in the future, can i still use the prefix?

Thanks

 

[Tempi]

id be interested to see the answers to this aswell.......

 

[Bananaman]

http://www.centralprefixregister.com/

As far as I know, once you've registered your prefix, it's yours to use.
I don't think it matters if you change breed as quite a few studs breed different types/breeds yet still use the same prefix.

 

[Maesfen]

Clare, you can register a prefix easily but for each breed/type you have, you will have to pay an extra fee for each society.
Example, My prefix is registered with SHB and CHAPS so is protected with both of them but if someone bred a Highland, because my prefix isn't registered with the Highland society, my prefix could be used by them; does that make sense? But also, if I were to say start breeding Shetlands (God forbid!

) then I would have to add them to my list before I could register more than one with my prefix. It was £58 for a prefix and £18 for each extra society, don't know if it's the same now.
Hope this has helped a bit, probably completely confused you now!
Another thing, I don't think you have to register a prefix with Weatherbys because they enforce that each name is different although it does mean that someone could register Spot Two even if you have Spot One, does that make sense? You'll have to check with them for sure.

Sorry, I always spell your name wrong!

 

[Kermie]

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My prefix is registered with SHB and CHAPS so is protected with both of them but if someone bred a Highland, because my prefix isn't registered with the Highland society, my prefix could be used by them; does that make sense?

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Are you sure that's the case? My prefix is registered with the Fell pony society but AFAIK they automatically check with the Central Prefix Register before approving a prefix.

I know you do have to pay to register with another society, but I didn't think that meant someone else could use your prefix....otherwise what's the point of the central prefix register?

 

[Chambon]

Unfortunately, Pat is correct. It is a complete rip-off I feel though! I have my prefix registered wtih 3 breed societies, however I now need it for a 4th so I will have to pay again this year... AND, there is nothing to stop someone else registering my prefix for themselves for a different breed society.

For example.. (and please don't use this, it is only an example)... Just about everyone has heard of a NEBO welsh cob? Well, the NEBO prefix has been registered with the BCPR for breeding welsh. Anybody else could register the NEBO prefix to breed, say, shetlands, dales, connies etc or any other breed society except for welsh.

Ooh, just thought of a real-life example... There is the Moortown New Forest stud and also the Moortown Exmoor pony stud - they are completely unrelated.

What hacks me off even further though, is that different breed societies have different charges to register your prefix with them

Why can't there just be a one off registration fee that covers all breed societies and prevents your prefix from being nicked?

 

[Kermie]

If that IS the case (and I'm not saying it's not - just genuinely astounded if it is) then why can you do a search on the Central Prefix Register to see if your prefix is available? http://www.centralprefixregister.com/

I'm the only one using my prefix and if I do a search for it, it says it is "not available".

Is it perhaps the case that in days gone by, this could happen but not now?

 

[prefix]

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Want to know about breeders' prefixes ? Then contact Mrs Gina Dent at Central Prefix Register, tel/ fax 01747 850235, email centralprefixreg@aol.com, www.centralprefixregister.com

There are 59 breed societies affiliated to CPR, which is most of the Uk ones plus a few in Ireland and Europe.

A prefix/suffix registered with one affiliated breed society is protected from duplication with all the others.

Breed societies charge differing amounts for a new prefix and adding further societies costs £20 a time. The charge per breed society is a one off regardless of how many animals are registered.

Any breeders still confused please contact CPR directly.

 

[Kermie]

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A prefix/suffix registered with one affiliated breed society is protected from duplication with all the others.


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Thanks for confirming that.

 

[MillionDollar]

Thanks everyone, i thought this might be the case, how annoying and definitely a total rip off, just typical of the equine industry

I'll have to have a think, because i will be breeding all different breeds in the future. Thanks again to everyone, and MFH_09 you made total sense.

 

[prefix]

Claire - I think you need to re-read my last message.

Without CPR there could be 60 odd duplicate NEBO and MOORTOWN prefixes. However there is only one NEBO and two MOORTOWN prefixes. MOORTOWN is a duplicate because both were in use before CPR was set up in 1978.

Sorry you think it is a rip off. 32,000 breeders can't be worng !

Gina Dent

 

[Chambon]

Gina, I apologise and retract the content of my previous posting, as it was me who posted about Nebo and Moortown. I have previously been ill-advised then as I was told the only way to protect your prefix (yes, mine is regd with the CPR) is to cover all breed societies.

I apologise for mis-informing people on HHO. Gina, many thanks for clearing this up.

 

[MillionDollar]

Ahh sorry, i didn't see your post

sorry. So if i registered a prefix with you it doesn't matter what i breed (well as long as the breed is affiliated with you)?? So i just pay the one off fee and then it can't be duplicated?

Thanks, Claire

 

[prefix]

Dear Claire

That is right UNLESS a new society decides to affiliate to CPR in which case I have to take on board everything they have in use and thereafter no duplicates are allowed. However, there are not many societies that do not belong these days.

Let me know if you want to regsiter a prefix and I will deal with it asap.


Dear Chambon

Glad to get this sorted. Please let me know your prefix so that I can check it is properly recorded.

Good luck to you all with your youngsters

GINA DENT

 

[Chambon]

Gina - I've PM'd you!

 

[milliepup]

How does this work if you are breeding say KWPN horses from the UK and you register then with the KWPN? Does the CPR recognise these?
Thx

 

[prefix]

Dear Cambon

What is PM ??

Dear Charliepup

KWPN is not affiliated to CPR. If you wish to use a prefix with them I suggest you check with CPR to see if anyone else has it and then register on CPR via an affiliated society to prevent it being duplicated.

Best wishes

GINA DENT