Request: pics of your horses wearing curb straps

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Hi

I have a new bit for Ed, a NS Universal tranz angled bit, with curb. While I was fitting it, it all seemed VERY busy under his chin.

He wears a Frank Baines comfort bridle with crank flash and with the NS curb strap I bought (quite thick?!) it all seems really crowded down there and I'm worried about the effect of that?

So wondering if you have any good shots of your horses heads, while wearing this sort of set up - so I can see how it compares?

Thank you in advance!!
 
Possibly a daft question (and if it is, I blame the chocolate overdose I had yesterday!), but can you have a flash and a curb strap?

*wanders off to find a cold shower to try and get brain back in gear*
 
Pelham with curb chain and lip strap.
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You need to ditch the flash I think. A crank should keep his mouth shut fairly well without the flash, that is the point of them.
 
Sorry - the noseband is a crank flash - he doesn't *wear* a flash.

Totally confusing sorry guys - just trying to give you an example of the noseband he's wearing.

FB nosebands are quite thick I *think*

SH - those look very roomy! I think Ed has a short chin! I'll try and find a photo....

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Here's one of him in his FB bridle, so you can see the space - it might be my noseband could do with adjusting OR simply the NS curb strap I have been supplied is too thick??
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yep should always be on top ring whatever the bit :) It always sat very nicely just below noseband but where it sits will depend on individual bit and the size of the curb strap/chain but when a contact is applied the bit should have an ultimate 'bite' point of 45 degrees in relation to the vertical when the horse is 'on the bit' this is illustrated in my photo again albeit slightly blurred :p :D
 
Ah. That's alright then. I was getting confuddled (it's very easily done, very especially today!).

You noseband looks in the right place.

Can you post a pic of it with the bit, chain and strap on?
 
So when the bit shanks come back - ie rein pulled - the curb should hit the chin groove when the angle is 45 degrees back (from resting position?)

Sorry about all these questions, have an early finish tomorrow and will ring the bit shop for help, but til then!

Is a strap preferable or chain?

Can get a photo when the new bit comes (bought the wrong size - nerd :( )
 
Kitsune said:
Hi

I have a new bit for Ed, a NS Universal tranz angled bit, with curb. While I was fitting it, it all seemed VERY busy under his chin.

He wears a Frank Baines comfort bridle with crank flash and with the NS curb strap I bought (quite thick?!) it all seems really crowded down there and I'm worried about the effect of that?

So wondering if you have any good shots of your horses heads, while wearing this sort of set up - so I can see how it compares?

Thank you in advance!!
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Congratulations on buying such a briliant bit! It has worked wonders for my horses way of going, particularly when jumping. The curb chain seems to be very long for my horse so I have it on the third link on both sides. You should really use a curb chain with a lip strap to hold the chain straight and unkinked and to stop it flapping around. I have ordered this one recently: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-LEA...t=UK_Horse_Wear_Equipment&hash=item3cb5ae7b6f this is what it looks like fitted: http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgu...&sa=X&ei=cERuTbqmA9S0hAfSg4g2&ved=0CBcQ9QEwAQ
 
Kitsune said:
So when the bit shanks come back - ie rein pulled - the curb should hit the chin groove when the angle is 45 degrees back (from resting position?)

Sorry about all these questions, have an early finish tomorrow and will ring the bit shop for help, but til then!

Is a strap preferable or chain?

Can get a photo when the new bit comes (bought the wrong size - nerd :( )
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Yes although it doesn't need to be as low as when using chain with a pelham as that is dependant on the bit itself. it depends on what sort of curb you are using and the bit. For example a dutch gag has more bit above the mouthpiece and so the strap sits higher (as in my pic)

You can't use a lip strap with a NS universal and you shouldn't use a curb chain either. From my understanding you should use a strap and as it is essentially very similar in design to a dutch gag you would expect the strap to sit higher than a curb chain.

The straps you can use are either the NS one as in this pic

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Neue-Schule-8...Horse_Wear_Equipment&var=&hash=item641e7b98a2

Or I used essentially a western one which was a plain version of one of these which was far easier to keep flat but not as adjustable size wise

http://www.fourwinds.net/westcat/wimg/jt183529.jpg

Edit to say yes you can use roundings but the bit should still reach its 'bite' point at 45 degrees. the problem with roundings is that you can't choose when to and not to apply the curb action of the bit. When you have two pairs of reins one is on the snaffle ring which will take more pressure to bring the curb into effect whereas a rein on the lower ring will allow you to select the curb pressure as and when its needed.

You 'should' always use two reins with a curb action bit so please ignore the fact my photo only had one set of reins but Dan was very special to bit ;)
 
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Definitely wasn't a pointed question, Sanolly.

I am capable of using two reins, so just wondering if its as effective on roundings or not?

Thanks for your input!
 
Yeah thats the strap I have Santa, its just hefty as heck and I'm used to lip straps and chains I guess! Its got to be the same width as my cheekpieces, or nearly!
 
Santa_Claus said:
You can't use a lip strap with a NS universal and you shouldn't use a curb chain either.
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SORRY MY MISTAKE - I thought the OP was referring to the tranz angled lozenge pelham which is the bit that I have that I rate so highly. I was confused when she said about using a curb chain and thought it was the pelham she was referring to.

The bit I have is thus:http://www.nsbits.com/index.php/tal-pelham.html and as you can quite clearly see there are holes in the shank to accommodate the lip strap.

However when using a curb chain as in 'a normal curb chain' it should lie flat against the chin groove anyway, provided it has been attached and turned in a clockwise direction so all the links lie flat against each other. I did find that this was quite difficult to achieve with the T.A.L pelham that I have as the hooks are set differently to normal pelhams (not sure why or even if I've explained this right).

Santa Claus is correct is saying that with the universal you have to use the 'curb strap' as described.

I have always used roundings as I can't be bothered with the fuss two reins cause me, unless I'm doing a working hunter class and then it has to be two reins. Two reins are considered better than roundings because you are 'asking' an individual question from each rein which is meant to be 'somehow' deciphered by your horse better than the mass pressure roundings cause.
 
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The curb she be tight enough so that the bit doesnt go over 45 degrees. when doing it up, make sure its flat and hook it from the bottom of the curb link (if that makes sense!) it helps it to sit better
 
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