Road Accidents.

Rollin

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The latest a horse and rider injured by a BMW allegedly travelling at 20mph!! Driver said the horse reared, rider says she has never reared. If he was only travelling at 20mph how come he was unable to stop?

On 6th June a horse was killed and rider hospitalised in Lechlade. Thames Valley police are quoted as saying that no one has been reported for an offence.

When will British Police find the 'boy bits' to deal with motorists who continue to maim and terrorise riders on British Roads. Although I now live in France, part of my decision was because I was sick to the back teeth of keeping a 7.5 ton lorry on the road to transport my bomb proof horses 5 miles!! to keep them safe from selfish and ignorant motorists.
 

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The latest a horse and rider injured by a BMW allegedly travelling at 20mph!! Driver said the horse reared, rider says she has never reared. If he was only travelling at 20mph how come he was unable to stop?

On 6th June a horse was killed and rider hospitalised in Lechlade. Thames Valley police are quoted as saying that no one has been reported for an offence.

When will British Police find the 'boy bits' to deal with motorists who continue to maim and terrorise riders on British Roads. Although I now live in France, part of my decision was because I was sick to the back teeth of keeping a 7.5 ton lorry on the road to transport my bomb proof horses 5 miles!! to keep them safe from selfish and ignorant motorists.
 
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I think these drivers are ignorant full stop AC14, whether it be horses or other road users. Its just basic common courtesy and manners to slow down and pass wide. Something which so many people seem to lack in all areas of life these days.

But as riders, we should help ourselves with hi viz, riding sensibly - e.g. single file when its necessary, not being on the phone, thanking drivers etc etc.
 

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Are you saying either move house or stay off the road?

I too wear hi-viz and always have done.

It does not stop people driving too fast, the horse that was killed was being ridden on a straight stretch of road, the driver drove into the back of the horse. The horse and rider were hit by a tractor, after he had been asked to stop and after he had caused an accident. The tractor drove off.

If a driver hits a cyclist and puts them in hospital, with broken bones or life changing injuries and the cyclist is not wearing hi-viz does that excuse the motorist?
 

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If a driver hits a cyclist and puts them in hospital, with broken bones or life changing injuries and the cyclist is not wearing hi-viz does that excuse the motorist?
No of course not, but research by the BHS has shown that it gives a driver three seconds of reaction and braking time with someone wearing hi viz and someone not which equates to a distance of something like 40 metres at 30mph - the difference between being hit and not being hit possibly?
 

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No of course not, but research by the BHS has shown that it gives a driver three seconds of reaction and braking time with someone wearing hi viz and someone not which equates to a distance of something like 40 metres at 30mph - the difference between being hit and not being hit possibly?
I understand all that. I was a BHS Access Officer and I always wear Hi-Viz but it annoys me that when horses are killed and their riders injured, the police do nothing and we always seem to get into the debate about riders wearing hi-viz and saying thank you.

It is your responsibility as a motorist to understand the Highway Code and to be able to stop safely within the distance that you can see. If you cannot see then slow down or give up driving.

I am now retired but had a long Sales and Marketing career, accident free for 25 years when I clocked up over 1,000 miles per week. I am not tolerant of excuses made by motorists for injuring other road users. The police should be much more active in their pursuit of these individuals.
 

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I was involved in a road accident in 2010, where my horse was hit by a car. I broke my back, my friend who I was riding with was also injured, the horse I was riding died on the road, and the other one was put down 8 weeks later. The driver was charged with dangerous driving and was given a 2 year suspended sentence. We were informed by the Police that, if we hadnt been wearing hi-vis, the driver could claim he couldnt see us, and quite possibly not been charged! If I hadnt of been wearing it I would have to live with the guilt that, because I wasnt wearing it, my horse was killed.
 

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I think I remember your case, it took ages to come to a conclusion didn’t it.
Such an awful thing to have to go through . I hope the physical and metal scars are healing.

I do agree, wearing hi viz gives riders the best chance of being seen and it’s a sensible thing to do. We need to make ourselves as visible as possible at all times and be polite to those who do slow down. But I don’t accept that not having it on is a blanket excuse for drivers to absolve themselves of responsibility or the police and insurance companies to use this as an excuse to not prosecute or activate a claim. There will of course be instances with horses, pedestrians, cyclists, other motorists where the motorist doing the damage is not to blame – how many times have you seen people crossing the road while glued to their phone with no concept of what’s going on around them or cyclists who run red lights. But there is no excuse for driving too fast past a horse. If you can see it to pull out, you can see it to slow down. And if you can see it, high viz or no high viz, you can pass slow and wide. Of course drivers can’t be held responsible for horses leaping out into the road. But they need to put themselves in a position so that should this occur, they can react appropriately. I think its common sense not just road sense. Sadly so many people these days seem to have no sense at all.
 

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benson what a truly awful experience. Do you and your friend still ride? I cannot imagine how you recovered from losing two horses.

I had a horrible near miss, when a driver attempted to overtake into a blind bend and then put his landcover into a skid when he met an HGV coming the other way. I will never forget it - in spite of witness statement no prosecution was ever brought.
 

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I have driven round country roads for many years, in summer, foliage does affect your view and can make darker horses almost invisible until the last moment, Hi viz does give you extra time to react
 

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I have driven round country roads for many years, in summer, foliage does affect your view and can make darker horses almost invisible until the last moment, Hi viz does give you extra time to react
This is true, I was motoring on the Blair Drummond Straight at over 50mph on a glorious summer day, I spotted a glint of something in the dapples cast by the sunshine. it was an invisible cyclist wearing black, who I only spotted when the sun caught the metal of his wheel.
 

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". Although I now live in France, part of my decision was because I was sick to the back teeth of keeping a 7.5 ton lorry on the road to transport my bomb proof horses 5 miles!! to keep them safe from selfish and ignorant motorists.[/QUOTE]"

Interesting you should say that. I have lived in rural France for the last 9 years and we are about to return to the UK. I always felt a lot safer on the roads in Britain than I did here. People seem to whizz quite close past you here and almost seem surprised there is an actual horse on the roads/lanes. I still always thank them tho, which seem to confuse them even more. And yes, I am always wearing hi vis.
 

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i am so glad the views on here have changed so much in the past 3 or 4 years! After my accident, there were so many people on here saying they didnt need to wear hi vis, as their horse was bombproof, and they only rode in the countryside, through fields and on very quiet country lanes! I could never understand those points!!
 

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Although I wear Hi-viz, and I think people should, I dont think the onus should be entirely on the rider to make themselves visible, drivers should be educated to take care, and look out for people, horses, animals, bikes etc that may be using the road too.
Too many drivers these days dont seem to be taught to drive at a speed they can safely stop if necessary. I wear Hi-viz,but I also make sure I'm not riding in the gutter, as it is easier for a driver to see straight in front of him when hes mainly looking at the road ahead, and you look ahead where you are going to drive, than see something at the side of the road.
 
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