Slightlyconfused
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As title.
Whats it like?
Whats it like?
Royal cain sensitivity control reviews
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gunnergundog
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In my opinion it is CRAP! 
Have you viewed the ingredients?
COMPOSITION: tapioca, dehydrated duck meat, hydrolysed poultry proteins, vegetable fibres, animal fats, beet pulp, fish oil, soya oil, psyllium husks and seeds, minerals, fructo-oligo-saccharides, marigold extract (source of lutein).
Am guessing that your dog has some sort of food allergy? What tests have been done? Have you tried an exclusion diet and if so which proteins did you use and did you also eliminate carbs?
Have you viewed the ingredients?
COMPOSITION: tapioca, dehydrated duck meat, hydrolysed poultry proteins, vegetable fibres, animal fats, beet pulp, fish oil, soya oil, psyllium husks and seeds, minerals, fructo-oligo-saccharides, marigold extract (source of lutein).
Am guessing that your dog has some sort of food allergy? What tests have been done? Have you tried an exclusion diet and if so which proteins did you use and did you also eliminate carbs?
Chiffy
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Agree with gdog, can't understand why so many vets recommend it. I took on an obese dog and went to the vet to weigh him. They tried to get me onto Royal Canin diet, it contained rubbish, so shocked.
Cinnamontoast
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Utter rubbish. Shove them tomatoes for shedloads of lutein. Marigold?! Bonkers. May as well feed floor sweepings, imo.
Choose a high end grain free kibble if you're looking to eliminate dodgy poo/skin. Look on allaboutdogfood website for honest reviews. Was it Lukele people were raving about earlier? One of mine was vomiting regularly and we 're-set' him by putting a spoonful of kaolin in his food, at one point Pepto Bismol!
I'm a fan of raw, even the best kibble is extruded and processed and sits in storage for god knows how long. It's not for everyone, I know, but at least you have a bit of an idea of what is going into your dog when you're feeding lumps of raw meat.
Choose a high end grain free kibble if you're looking to eliminate dodgy poo/skin. Look on allaboutdogfood website for honest reviews. Was it Lukele people were raving about earlier? One of mine was vomiting regularly and we 're-set' him by putting a spoonful of kaolin in his food, at one point Pepto Bismol!
I'm a fan of raw, even the best kibble is extruded and processed and sits in storage for god knows how long. It's not for everyone, I know, but at least you have a bit of an idea of what is going into your dog when you're feeding lumps of raw meat.
maxweg
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Have to agree with the above, I show my dogs and won a bag of royal canin so thought I would give it a go. I was shocked as to the ingredients and that my vet also " pushes" this.
Not for me or my dogs I'm afraid .
Not for me or my dogs I'm afraid .
Slightlyconfused
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Its not for my dogs i wouldnt touch thee stuff made one of mine ill when on the hills version.
Sisters vet has told her to put her bitch on it as she has been having runny bad poos and then has been having bloody mucus too.
Sisters vet has told her to put her bitch on it as she has been having runny bad poos and then has been having bloody mucus too.
Cinnamontoast
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Get a faecal sample and check for gardia. Then stick the dog on a high quality grain free kibble. Don't swap foods lots, it's appalling for sensitive tummies to do that. Get a good one and stick to it. Get kaolin from the chemist (say it's for a person!) and give a teaspoon twice a day.
Antw23uk
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I would never feed my dog any of that commercial rubbish, not a chance in hell. RAW/BARF all the way for two cats and a dog.
Slightlyconfused
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What kibble can you recomened?
She is going to put her on just the burns sensitive kibble, as she has this anyway and likes it but was mixed with the wet penplan so if she takes the wet out and see if its that, and stop the royal cain as she is getting hungry with how much she has been told to feed her.
She is 1kilo over weight but she has a good amount of exerise. About an hour a day of fast walks during the week then a good few hours at tje weekend.
She started piling on weight once she waa spayed so dont know if that is one of the causes
Cinnamontoast
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There are two pages of 5* foods recommended here: I think Eden was talked about in glowing terms on here. https://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/the-dog-food-directory
I've heard bitches can put on weight after spaying. I'm guessing you have to be strict re amounts fed and realistic about exercise.
I think the bloody mucus etc needs resolving as a priority: has she had a faecal sample done?
I'm still amazed at vets recommending such poor quality food as the typical ones they stock in their surgeries. I would love to hear from a UK based vet as to why they do this.
I've heard bitches can put on weight after spaying. I'm guessing you have to be strict re amounts fed and realistic about exercise.
I think the bloody mucus etc needs resolving as a priority: has she had a faecal sample done?
I'm still amazed at vets recommending such poor quality food as the typical ones they stock in their surgeries. I would love to hear from a UK based vet as to why they do this.
Roxylola
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I think basically they are paid to
From the BVA website
"ROYAL CANIN products are based on extensive knowledge of cats and dogs, gained through years of studies, partnerships with leading veterinary schools and universities, and continued input from veterinarians and breeders worldwide"
From the BVA website
"ROYAL CANIN products are based on extensive knowledge of cats and dogs, gained through years of studies, partnerships with leading veterinary schools and universities, and continued input from veterinarians and breeders worldwide"
Slightlyconfused
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Yes feacel came back clear.
gunnergundog
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If parasites have been ruled out then you need to further investigate the bloody stools.........it could be something serious like a splenic tumour or something (relatively) inconsequential like IBS. Until you understand the route cause you are only going to be putting elastoplasts on the issue.
If you are looking for a good quality kibble to feed, I would suggest Ziwi peak; yes, it is bloody expensive, but it has no fish (which in the majority of dog kibbles adds mercury and other toxins nowadays) and has high quality protein as opposed to the crap quality protein in the Burns sensitive: Ingredients
Brown Rice (63%), Duck Meal (22%), Oats, Peas, Duck Fat, Sunflower Oil, Seaweed, Vitamins & Minerals.
HOWEVER, until you identify and eliminate the route cause of the issue you are pissing in the wind as they say! In other words, if duck is the protein source the dog reacts to, you have no chance of sorting it.
Either go for something off the wall (eg Kangaroo from Paleoridge) or pay for allergy tests/further investigations. Yes, they are expensive, but you can spend just as much stabbing in the dark.
Best of luck!
If you are looking for a good quality kibble to feed, I would suggest Ziwi peak; yes, it is bloody expensive, but it has no fish (which in the majority of dog kibbles adds mercury and other toxins nowadays) and has high quality protein as opposed to the crap quality protein in the Burns sensitive: Ingredients
Brown Rice (63%), Duck Meal (22%), Oats, Peas, Duck Fat, Sunflower Oil, Seaweed, Vitamins & Minerals.
HOWEVER, until you identify and eliminate the route cause of the issue you are pissing in the wind as they say!
In other words, if duck is the protein source the dog reacts to, you have no chance of sorting it. Either go for something off the wall (eg Kangaroo from Paleoridge) or pay for allergy tests/further investigations. Yes, they are expensive, but you can spend just as much stabbing in the dark.
Best of luck!
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Cinnamontoast
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That's very likely to get the weight off, the stuff Gunnerdog recommends, that's a huge amount of filler i.e. rice. My lot would be skin and bones on it, but every dog is different.
Meal is different to meat and provides a much lower percentage of protein. Sorry, GD, I don't think it's a quality kibble with that much rice and not actual meat. You may as well feed something like tins of Chappie, which will also calm sensitive stomachs. If that's the aim, then fine, but otherwise, it's not a top food, imo.
This Ziwi Peak food looks much better, I'd spend the money on this one: https://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/dog-food-reviews/0082/ziwipeak-daily-dog-air-dried-cuisine
Meal is different to meat and provides a much lower percentage of protein. Sorry, GD, I don't think it's a quality kibble with that much rice and not actual meat. You may as well feed something like tins of Chappie, which will also calm sensitive stomachs. If that's the aim, then fine, but otherwise, it's not a top food, imo.
This Ziwi Peak food looks much better, I'd spend the money on this one: https://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/dog-food-reviews/0082/ziwipeak-daily-dog-air-dried-cuisine
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gunnergundog
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You've lost me totally Cinnamontoast!
The OP was suggesting putting the dog on Burns Sensitive - the ingredients of which I listed in my post above. You won't ever see me recommending a kibble that has rice listed as the first, and therefore main, ingredient.
My suggestion, if you re-read, was Ziwi peak, which is, as I said before is eye-wateringly expensive. But you get what you pay for.
I hope that clarifies any confusion.
Cinnamontoast
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Pants, sorry, I blame the Zubrowka! I was surprised at the ingredients! Burns is known for dropping weight off dogs, no wonder with that much rice. Sorry, GD, my mistake entirely.
gunnergundog
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No problem! Had to google Zubrowka (being an avid gin drinker), so have learnt something new!
aztec
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Isn't the best food for a dog the food it enjoys & does well on? If that means Chappie or similar then so be it.
You have this the wrong way round. Meat meal is dried & powdered & contains around 8% moisture, fresh meat contains around 60-70% moisture.
1KG of meat meal is pretty much 1KG of meat.
1KG of fresh meat, when cooked into kibble, leaves around 300-400grams of actual meat.
Using the Burns ingredients above, 22% (by weight) of duck meal will contain far more protein than 22% (by weight) of fresh duck once all the water has been removed by cooking.
You have this the wrong way round. Meat meal is dried & powdered & contains around 8% moisture, fresh meat contains around 60-70% moisture.
1KG of meat meal is pretty much 1KG of meat.
1KG of fresh meat, when cooked into kibble, leaves around 300-400grams of actual meat.
Using the Burns ingredients above, 22% (by weight) of duck meal will contain far more protein than 22% (by weight) of fresh duck once all the water has been removed by cooking.
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Clodagh
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Meal is normally made from bills and feet/legs and feathers. It does not need to be from muscle.
aztec
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No it isn't....
Taken from the highly regarded website https://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/dog-food-ingredients/0005/meat-meal
Also...
Clodagh
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Well, well! Thank you for that. not what I read at all, on a different site.
Cinnamontoast
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Same, every day's a school day.
Aru
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The european regulations and laws for dog food when it comes to ingredients sourcing and labelling etc are very different(stricter!)to most of the rest of the world so its always worth checking where online websites are based when it comes to this sort of thing.
I prefer z/d for allergy trials as at least its genuinely a new protein the body can not have been exposed to but unlike everyone else who's commented here I'd be happy to use this food.
No doubt il be accused its due to the brainwashing of the company involved!
As it happens the clinic I work in doesn't carry a own dog food line- we are attached to a petshop that stocks everything from raw to budget foods. I tend to recommend fish and potato kibble as my first food change to see if this helps the dogs that are just sensitive to the likes of chicken pork lamb and beef(all common allergens in dogs)-some nice aussie brands supplying this at the moment not sure if the uk has similar, and a prescription food next for a food trial if that fails to help.
If you look at the ingredients they are designed to be used for an allergy dog.
For an allergy trial you want a new protein and carb that the dog has ideally never been exposed to before.
The rest of the mix in the food needs to be substances to provide the balance required to make a complete food- fibre,bulkers fats oils vit minerals content etc.
tapioca, dehydrated duck meat, hydrolysed poultry proteins, vegetable fibres, animal fats, beet pulp, fish oil, soya oil, psyllium husks and seeds, minerals, fructo-oligo-saccharides, marigold extract (source of lutein)
Which one of those ingredients are causing all the concern? none are dangerous to dogs and together provide a balanced food.
They have the least likely sources of carb exposure in the dogs life- Tapioca which isn't a common carb and an uncommonly given to most dogs a meat protein- duck. So for an allergy test if your dog isn't allergic/intolerant to duck then its got a lot of potential to be helpful.
Remember a lot of these diets are meant to be used as a medical test more then a food for life-though some dogs do end up thriving on them if their intolerances are often multiple!
8 to 12 weeks of a never used before protein and ideally a new carb is the elimination test for allergies.
Wait and see if theres an improvement or if your dealing with something other food intolerance.
If vastly improved on these style of foods then re-challenge with different proteins to see what is actually causing the issue. Once you know what proteins(proteins are more commonly allergies then carbs in dogs) are the issue modify diet accordingly.
You would be lucky for it to be diet alone though especially if its for skin issues. Unfortunately only around 10 to 15 percent of skin dogs have a food intolerance as their only issue but its always worth ruling out.
If its G.I then the odds are more in your favour thankfully!
I prefer z/d for allergy trials as at least its genuinely a new protein the body can not have been exposed to but unlike everyone else who's commented here I'd be happy to use this food.
No doubt il be accused its due to the brainwashing of the company involved!
As it happens the clinic I work in doesn't carry a own dog food line- we are attached to a petshop that stocks everything from raw to budget foods. I tend to recommend fish and potato kibble as my first food change to see if this helps the dogs that are just sensitive to the likes of chicken pork lamb and beef(all common allergens in dogs)-some nice aussie brands supplying this at the moment not sure if the uk has similar, and a prescription food next for a food trial if that fails to help.
If you look at the ingredients they are designed to be used for an allergy dog.
For an allergy trial you want a new protein and carb that the dog has ideally never been exposed to before.
The rest of the mix in the food needs to be substances to provide the balance required to make a complete food- fibre,bulkers fats oils vit minerals content etc.
tapioca, dehydrated duck meat, hydrolysed poultry proteins, vegetable fibres, animal fats, beet pulp, fish oil, soya oil, psyllium husks and seeds, minerals, fructo-oligo-saccharides, marigold extract (source of lutein)
Which one of those ingredients are causing all the concern? none are dangerous to dogs and together provide a balanced food.
They have the least likely sources of carb exposure in the dogs life- Tapioca which isn't a common carb and an uncommonly given to most dogs a meat protein- duck. So for an allergy test if your dog isn't allergic/intolerant to duck then its got a lot of potential to be helpful.
Remember a lot of these diets are meant to be used as a medical test more then a food for life-though some dogs do end up thriving on them if their intolerances are often multiple!
8 to 12 weeks of a never used before protein and ideally a new carb is the elimination test for allergies.
Wait and see if theres an improvement or if your dealing with something other food intolerance.
If vastly improved on these style of foods then re-challenge with different proteins to see what is actually causing the issue. Once you know what proteins(proteins are more commonly allergies then carbs in dogs) are the issue modify diet accordingly.
You would be lucky for it to be diet alone though especially if its for skin issues. Unfortunately only around 10 to 15 percent of skin dogs have a food intolerance as their only issue but its always worth ruling out.
If its G.I then the odds are more in your favour thankfully!