RSPCA Debate

Serenity087 said:
The RSPCA spent £300,000 of charity money on attempting to bitch slap a fox hunter.

THEY are the ones making this politcal, not Simon Hart!

Who is probably quite considerably cheaper to keep than those bunch of morons..

Oh I do hope people write to their MPs... I suspect the RSPCA will be unpleasantly surprised how the animal loving public respond... They're not the RSPCA anymore, they're an unpleasant front for the animal rights agenda and people know it!
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Interesting but completely untrue! The monitors took the evidence of illegal hunting to the RSPCA who had no choice but to investigate. The ONLY reason it cost so much was because the guilty at first pleaded not so and to prepare therefore for a case against the Heythrop/CA the RSPCA did their very best to not cost the tax payer a penny. This would have happened had the RSPCA lost the case.
 
Adina said:
I think most of these comments are missing the point. Whether or not you agree with hunting, it is wrong to spend 300K, when you can do it for 100K with your own in-house lawyers.
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Not true. Had the convicted pleaded not guilty with of course the financial support of the Heythrop and the Countryside Alliance they would have had the best lawyers in the land covering this field. The RSPCA unwittingly prepared for this due to the defendants questionable and very obviously obstructive behaviour.
 
FionaM12 said:
As long as the law says hunting is illegal animal cruelty, it's right people who hunt foxes should be prosecuted. Belittling it by calling it 'bitch slapping' doesn't wash.
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As it cost the Heythrop and the two defendants over £60,000 in fines, costs and defence costs it was more of a 'kicking' than a 'slapping'. How many hunts are willing to pay out that for a guilty plea?
 
Serenity087 said:
But if only £3 a month ensures that Fluffy and Jack can be garunteed a safe place, free from harm, how many Fluffy and Jack's have suffered and died because the RSPCA didn't like a guy's accent?

It's disgusting...
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If you report an animal crime to the RSPCA they have a duty to investigate. If they find evidence of a crime they prosecute. Where in that process does ones accent come into it for heavens sake?
 
Bedlam said:
Oh honestly - £120K is not a huge wage for someone high up in a national organisation. Would you rather someone with no management experience was at the top of an organisation like this because of their devotion to the welfare of puppies and kittens?

Unless you pay wages like that you won't have people with the right skills or experience in place. You can't expect good people to be altruistic and work for nothing. Would you do your job for nothing just because it gave you a warm glow of satisfaction?
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Well they are paying the money and they certainly only have the right skills to line their own pockets - the only devotion they have is to themelves. The whole organisation should be disbanded - and i for one think the Royal should be immediatly removed from the title. There pleeding adverts saying they are there for animals 24/7 - they should be prosecuted under the trades discription act.

The only devotion the RSPCA has to anyone is their own pockets - they are a sham.
 
Mightymax said:
I am neither for, nor against Hunting, but from what I have read in the press, and these are the only facts that I have access to, I feel that the point of concern is that so much Charitable money was wasted on one case. Especially in the current financial climate.

If the sums quoted are correct (in excess of 300k), surely, when local branches of the RSPCA are allegedly closing due to lack of funds, it would have made more sense to have saved that money in the interests of protecting the Welfare of many animals, rather than 'blowing' it on one high profile prosecution.

I accept that Hunting is a hot potato, But I don't think that in this instance, The RSPCA have done themselves any favours, as it comes across as being politically motivated rather than from genuine concern for animal welfare.
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This is my reason for interest in this the waste of donor money when animals are suffering because they cannot take any more in and are not supporting franchises that desperately need the funds. I agree that someone has to do the job but it should not be to a degree where they literally hound someone until they make a mistake no matter who they are.
 
Gingerwitch said:
Well they are paying the money and they certainly only have the right skills to line their own pockets - the only devotion they have is to themelves. The whole organisation should be disbanded - and i for one think the Royal should be immediatly removed from the title. There pleeding adverts saying they are there for animals 24/7 - they should be prosecuted under the trades discription act.

The only devotion the RSPCA has to anyone is their own pockets - they are a sham.
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How.. Why??? Are you claiming that they do not have a 24/7 charitable service? what proof do you have that they don't?
 
competitiondiva said:
If they are asking for a donation then they are answering the phone???????
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Try reporting a bitch fox sitting in the middle of the high street after being knocked down by a car and her 2 cubs are crying... they do not want to know.... we had to invlove the police as they would create an accident.... try involving them when horses are so hungry they are eating stones.... they say they will be out within 7 to 10 days.

Try phoneing the emergency number - it rings out until it cuts off
The donation line is manned though, but they cannot help with reports of neglect or cruelty
 
Gingerwitch said:
Try reporting a bitch fox sitting in the middle of the high street after being knocked down by a car and her 2 cubs are crying... they do not want to know.... we had to invlove the police as they would create an accident.... try involving them when horses are so hungry they are eating stones.... they say they will be out within 7 to 10 days.

Try phoneing the emergency number - it rings out until it cuts off
The donation line is manned though, but they cannot help with reports of neglect or cruelty
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:rolleyes:

What an absolute load of...
 
Gingerwitch said:
Try reporting a bitch fox sitting in the middle of the high street after being knocked down by a car and her 2 cubs are crying... they do not want to know.... we had to invlove the police as they would create an accident.... try involving them when horses are so hungry they are eating stones.... they say they will be out within 7 to 10 days.

Try phoneing the emergency number - it rings out until it cuts off
The donation line is manned though, but they cannot help with reports of neglect or cruelty
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Don't want to know or answer the phone, or didn't attend or answer the phone in the time frame you wanted or expected?
 
competitiondiva said:
Don't want to know or answer the phone, or didn't attend or answer the phone in the time frame you wanted or expected?
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Right - the phone rings out and rings out and then cuts off, the phone rings out rings out and then cuts off, the phone rings out rings out then cuts off, after trying for over an hour and a half they answer - but do not want to know -

so make your own mind up
 
Gingerwitch said:
Right - the phone rings out and rings out and then cuts off, the phone rings out rings out and then cuts off, the phone rings out rings out then cuts off, after trying for over an hour and a half they answer - but do not want to know -

so make your own mind up
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sorry am just trying to get this straight, so they either had phone issues or not enough staff to answer the lines, then when they did answer they just said what 'no we don't care and won't deal with it'???? if so somehow, i'm not buying it, and if that is the case, then I personally would have been writing to the headquarters to let them know about it!
 
competitiondiva said:
sorry am just trying to get this straight, so they either had phone issues or not enough staff to answer the lines, then when they did answer they just said what 'no we don't care and won't deal with it'???? if so somehow, i'm not buying it, and if that is the case, then I personally would have been writing to the headquarters to let them know about it!
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Ref the fox incident - if you do not believe me i am sure that the local police station have the records for the fox incident as they had to come out due to the high chance of an accident being caused by the cubs running into the middle of the traffic signals.

The horses were down in Happy Valley in Wales, again I am sure if you don't belive me then if you check into the records you will find my phone calls against the place and the comment being that they were really busy and would try and attend within 7 to 10 days - the local vet was related to the person that owned the "riding school" but hopefully that had no bearing.
 
I hope the animal rights activist & new chairman of the RSPCA is happy with all within his institution.

From where I'm sitting (reading all of this & the papers) he couldn't have done more to damage his organisation. Although, I will concede he has made fellow animal rights supporters happy...

It is quite laughable how one mans personal vendetta/interference can damage an already floundering society.

Such a shame for all the animals that do need help!
 
competitiondiva said:
sorry am just trying to get this straight, so they either had phone issues or not enough staff to answer the lines, then when they did answer they just said what 'no we don't care and won't deal with it'???? if so somehow, i'm not buying it, and if that is the case, then I personally would have been writing to the headquarters to let them know about it!
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I've only ever rung the RSPCA twice. Once was for a stray kitten - which appeared to have the snots! They definitely didn't want to know about THAT one. Said they couldn't take it if it was sick. So I took it to my vet, got it treated, and found a good home for it.

The second time was for a badger I found in a field, terrorising a horse with its behaviour. It was in a dreadful state and I could have just shot it (but that would be illegal :rolleyes:) so I called the RSPCA. Very nice girl, arrived within an hour and was apologetic about taking so long. Badger was paralysed in the back end, covered in what looked like mange, but was still very vicious at the front end. She skilfully got it into a crate and once she'd decided I wasn't a bunny hugger, assured me she would be finding a quiet layby and ending its pain (not sure why she didn't do it then and there! I would guess it's 'the rules'!)

But they were called to some horses near me and achieved nothing - not sure if it was THEIR fault or the vet they took with them!
 
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