Saddles for bum high, low wither horse?

[Ellietotz]

Do these exist ready made?

 

[paddi22]

Yes they do. I have the most bum high low wither barrel of a mare in existence and i picked up a lovely leather goodwins saddle for her thats fits perfectly for 150 euro.

 

[Ellietotz]

Yes they do. I have the most bum high low wither barrel of a mare in existence and i picked up a lovely leather goodwins saddle for her thats fits perfectly for 150 euro.

Oh I'll have a look at that. I was hoping to get a synthetic one ideally though if you know of any?

 

[cobgoblin]

We've got a bum high low wither cob...Wintec saddles fit him perfectly when the saddler tried them, so they might be worth a look.

 

[Ellietotz]

We've got a bum high low wither cob...Wintec saddles fit him perfectly when the saddler tried them, so they might be worth a look.

I have been told a high wither one would work, but surely there would be even less height on the front of the saddle for it to work on a high wither horse? Otherwise you would be tipping back? Confused with all this saddle malarkey.

 

[cobgoblin]

I have been told a high wither one would work, but surely there would be even less height on the front of the saddle for it to work on a high wither horse? Otherwise you would be tipping back? Confused with all this saddle malarkey.

Not sure why you would want a high wither one...we tried regular wide Wintec.

 

[Ellietotz]

Not sure why you would want a high wither one...we tried regular wide Wintec.

That's what I thought! Even though she's not a cob, the saddles designed for cob shapes would work apparently. The Thorowgood cob ones are for low withers. Will have to try and find one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg!

 

[Ellietotz]

I'm getting so confused. Do the Griffin and Maxam saddles not exist now? Were they part of Thorowgood? I see that there was a Thorowgood Griffin T4 Cob saddle, is that different to the non-griffin one? I don't want to spend a tonne, just a nice synthetic one for low withers will do!

 

[cobgoblin]

That's what I thought! Even though she's not a cob, the saddles designed for cob shapes would work apparently. The Thorowgood cob ones are for low withers. Will have to try and find one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg!

The Thorowgood cob saddles are, I think, made on a flat tree like the Kent and masters. It depends on the shape of your horse's back....might be ok if the back goes up in a straight line to the bum. We found that our cob needed a more curved tree to accommodate his high bum because it rose up in a curve...too flat a tree dug in at the back of the saddle.
I know you are on a budget but horses of this shape are quite hard to fit...you really need a saddle fitter even if their visit only tells you what to look for second hand.

 

[Ellietotz]

The Thorowgood cob saddles are, I think, made on a flat tree like the Kent and masters. It depends on the shape of your horse's back....might be ok if the back goes up in a straight line to the bum. We found that our cob needed a more curved tree to accommodate his high bum because it rose up in a curve...too flat a tree dug in at the back of the saddle.
I know you are on a budget but horses of this shape are quite hard to fit...you really need a saddle fitter even if their visit only tells you what to look for second hand.

Yes, I have spoken to my saddle fitter and she has recommended the Thorowgood T4 Cob saddle. Just can't find a secondhand brown one anywhere and I can't afford a brand new one. Are there any similar types?

 

[cobgoblin]

There is a 'thorowgood saddles for sale and wanted' page on Facebook. I saw a 16.5" brown t4 on there but there may be more as I only had a quick look.

 

[Ellietotz]

There is a 'thorowgood saddles for sale and wanted' page on Facebook. I saw a 16.5" brown t4 on there but there may be more as I only had a quick look.

Thank you!

 

[Ellietotz]

Any cheaper alternatives to the thorowgood cob saddle?

 

[MasterBenedict]

The only saddle that fits my 14.2 in front, 15.2 in back, no wither, barrel shaped pony is the ideal H&C in extra wide they sometimes come up reasonably priced second hand on eBay, preloved etc.

I feel your pain!

 

[Ellietotz]

The only saddle that fits my 14.2 in front, 15.2 in back, no wither, barrel shaped pony is the ideal H&C in extra wide they sometimes come up reasonably priced second hand on eBay, preloved etc.

I feel your pain!

Thank you. I need a medium one with 17" seat. She's not cobby, just has no withers. I give up!

 

[Pinkvboots]

They often have the t4 saddles on the Facebook used native pony saddles page.

 

[paddi22]

just throwing a spanner in the works- one of mine is this lovely conformation specimen, and the thorowgoods didn't suit at all. i've two thorowgood heres, t4 and t6 and in the past they have fit to anything and everything that arrived in! but not this lovely roundy bumhigh witherless lady

 

[Ellietotz]

just throwing a spanner in the works- one of mine is this lovely conformation specimen, and the thorowgoods didn't suit at all. i've two thorowgood heres, t4 and t6 and in the past they have fit to anything and everything that arrived in! but not this lovely roundy bumhigh witherless lady

What did you find that fits in the end?

 

[Ellietotz]

I've seen that R&R Country do interest fee finance... might be the only option!

 

[sbloom]

The Thorowgood cob saddles are, I think, made on a flat tree like the Kent and masters. It depends on the shape of your horse's back....might be ok if the back goes up in a straight line to the bum. We found that our cob needed a more curved tree to accommodate his high bum because it rose up in a curve...too flat a tree dug in at the back of the saddle.
I know you are on a budget but horses of this shape are quite hard to fit...you really need a saddle fitter even if their visit only tells you what to look for second hand.

Interestingly, despite what people think, it's not the tree that digs in, it's the panel. Most croup high horses have a flat back, by definition most do not have much of a wither, and that means a tree towards the flatter end of the spectrum is needed. A curved tree may be easier to balance but it doesn't mean it fits - often they end up with a TON of clearance at the front, and the rails dig in or cause the saddle to rock (the rails are the middle part of the saddle under the lowest part of the seat). They can also be too close together or too upright.

I would recommend you look for saddles with flatter trees and an upswept panel, the TG cob might work in a very small seat size so that rear gusset (the triangular shaped bit under the cantle, the rear panel) doesn't sit UP on the croup, it needs to be down on the flatter part of the back. Many I see aren't short enough as the adult rider needs a decent seat size, and they tip forwards, and/or run forwards. Otherwise you need a very low and very short, ideally curved, rear panel. This is the best way to get correct front to back balance AND a stable fit, and you're not going to find it in synthetic brands, sorry.

 

[Ellietotz]

Interestingly, despite what people think, it's not the tree that digs in, it's the panel. Most croup high horses have a flat back, by definition most do not have much of a wither, and that means a tree towards the flatter end of the spectrum is needed. A curved tree may be easier to balance but it doesn't mean it fits - often they end up with a TON of clearance at the front, and the rails dig in or cause the saddle to rock (the rails are the middle part of the saddle under the lowest part of the seat). They can also be too close together or too upright.

I would recommend you look for saddles with flatter trees and an upswept panel, the TG cob might work in a very small seat size so that rear gusset (the triangular shaped bit under the cantle, the rear panel) doesn't sit UP on the croup, it needs to be down on the flatter part of the back. Many I see aren't short enough as the adult rider needs a decent seat size, and they tip forwards, and/or run forwards. Otherwise you need a very low and very short, ideally curved, rear panel. This is the best way to get correct front to back balance AND a stable fit, and you're not going to find it in synthetic brands, sorry.

Interesting info! Thanks. I'm just going with what my saddler has advised. She already did my other saddle but it's not going to hold together for much longer sadly