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Hi, I have brought a lovely horse with a sarcoid on the side of his tummy, I was just wondering if anyone has used the sarcoid treatment advertised on Ebay:

Equine Sarcoid Remedy homeopathic, warts, sarcoids, thuja.

They are tablets - I have never given tablets to a horse before!

I have read a lot about sarcoids on this forum, I want to try the homeopathic route first, I'm just interested to know if anyone has tried Thuja tablets or Thuja cream?
 
If it was me i would suggest you go down route of 'liverpool cream' via vets - as then you'll save alot of messing about and in long run save money and get rid of of this form of skin cancer, which will be in best interest of horse
 
I tried thuja cream and tablets and did absolutely nothing I am no going to have to go down liverpool cream route.
 
Can you let me know how long you used it for please? I have been using it for a couple of days and it seems to be getting worse!

They say it will bleed and weep before it gets better but I think the Liverpool Cream does the same, then it slowy gets better and the sarcoid drops off?

I have the vet coming tomorrow, I will check with him.
 
I used it for a coupole of weeks and it had no affect at all then tried bloodroot ointment which made them sore and bleed and had no affect on one and has made another worse. I am waiting for my vet to come out so we can start on the liverpool cream.
 
I discovered sarcoids on my filly in April. Have gone straight to the vets who has referred her for Liverpool Cream treatment. I am insured so they will cover the cost this time. If /when the exclusion kicks in on my insurance and there is still a problem or a reoccurrance that's when I'll go down the homeopathic route. Obviously if you have just bought the horse the sarcoid will be a pre existing condition and won't be covered on your insurance so I think I would also go down the homeopathic route to see if it clears it.
 
Our mare had about 6 sarcoids when we got her, she had 2 treatments with Liverpool cream and then a basic steriod cream for a further 4 weeks. They are completely gone now and the hair has groen back.

2 years later they have still not returned.

I would recommend as will save money in the long run.
 
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If it was me i would suggest you go down route of 'liverpool cream' via vets - as then you'll save alot of messing about and in long run save money and get rid of of this form of skin cancer, which will be in best interest of horse

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Totally agree with Kick_On, Sarcoids can be very funny things im currently starting treatment with my Vet for sarcoids. We have ringed 2 this morning & then will treat with Liverpool cream when the fly seasons finished. I really wont touch sarcoids unless a Vets involved.
Have treated Sarcoids before on another horse with Liverpool cream with great success.
 
I agree with kick_on - there's a reason that the vets recommend liverpool cream. Sarcoids are a cancer, and not something to be taken lightly. In our lectures on sarcoids, we were told by our lecturer that anyone interested in homeopathy might as well leave now, as it doesn't mix with being a vet, and is more for the owners benefit than the animal's.
 
Thanks, I think I will see what the cost the Liverpool cream is, I don't have the horse insured yet so I will have to pay anyway, I know it's expensive - but that's horses for you!
 
For definitive information and advice, google Professor Derek Knottenbelt (Liverpool University = his Liverpool Cream) fact sheet. Horses get many strange lumps and bumps and it's hard to know if they are sarcoids, warts or something else totally. My vets told me that the current thinking is if it LOOKS like a sarcoid, treat it as if it IS one (though many vets take the opposite view!). Sunny (aged 21 at the time) had 2 small sarcoids on his face. They were treated by the vets with Liverpool cream. He had 4 applications, 4 days apart and they dropped off and have not returned. A year or so after that I spotted a couple of odd scurfy patches that I didn't like the look of, under his mane. I had been hearing good things about Thuja so thought I would try it. I would recommend the cream at 30C potency. The way that the tablets are supposed to be given - no other odd smells on your hands or the horse's tongue - seemed doomed to failure. The Thuja cream worked a treat for Sunny and both patches disappeared and have not returned. But there's a HUGE "but" here. The patches may not have been sarcoids. We'll never know! So does Thuja cream clear sarcoids or does it only clear odd patches that look like sarcoids but aren't. Interesting debate. The way I see it is that, as said above, true sarcoids are skin cancers and if you are going to try to do something yourself, you MUST obey the golden rule: First, do no harm. For example, if you put creams that say things like "Aids new skin growth" on a true sarcoid, you may well be encouraging its spread. Thuja cream is so gentle and contains virtually nothing but a cream base. I happily slapped it on a flaky patch on my own arm and I'm still here.

To recap: read the Prof's guidance on sarcoids - he's a world expert. Then, if you want to have a go yourself, make sure you put only gentle creams on the suspect area or you risk aggravating the cancer (if it IS a true cancer). If Thuja doesn't help after a week or two, or if the sarcoid gets bigger or angrier or starts to ooze or bleed, don't hang about - get the vet out. Love to know how this turns out x
 
But Aloe Vera is a cell growth stimulant & so the last thing you should risk putting on a sarcoid (cancer = out of control cell growth). Tea tree & echinacea can also make sarcoids worse. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that if it's natural it can't do any harm.
 
I use a Mark Todd Fly rug that covers the neck & belly. I also use tons of fly spray. I make my own but make up a special bottle without tea tree for the one with sarcoids. I'm also experimeting with neem oil as a fly deterent.
I'm need to speak to my Vet in the next few days so I am going to have a chat about supplements.
 
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I agree with kick_on - there's a reason that the vets recommend liverpool cream. Sarcoids are a cancer, and not something to be taken lightly. In our lectures on sarcoids, we were told by our lecturer that anyone interested in homeopathy might as well leave now, as it doesn't mix with being a vet, and is more for the owners benefit than the animal's.

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i agree with this one.I was at a talk by Professor Knottenbelt,the sarcoid expert,earlier this year and he hates the creams you can by off the internet with a passion! Some of them can do more harm than good!
These creams are sometimes said to cure the sarcoid when in fact sarcoids can disappear and reemerge for no reason...save your money get a vet out and see if your sarcoid can be treated by the liverpool cream(not all of them can)The cream is labelled dangerous for a reason its a form of chemotherapy and so far its one of the few things that has been proven to work on specific types of sarcoids...
 
http://pcwww.liv.ac.uk/sarcoid/facts.htm

From the website:
"Homeopathic and natural medicines are entirely unpredictable. In general cell stimulators such as Allovera are contraindicated and Tea tree oil can be very dangerous. "

and

"Failure of any treatment method is usually accompanied by the reappearance of a more aggressive tumour - and often in increased numbers. It is therefore important to select the best possible alternative as the first treatment method."

Basically it's mess with any thing that might be a sarcoid at your peril - you may be lucky, you may make it a lot worse - in a (very) extreme case you could even lose your horse. No treatment works 100% in every case & different treatments work better for different types or positions of sarcoid.
Also there are lots of things that look like sarcoids that aren't & without a Vet's advice you may have been treating a wart or other lesion, not a sarcoid & beleive that a treatment has cured a sarcoid when it hasn't even been near one.
 
Mine had hers Lasered and now just has a small scar! However I put Aloe on when it was healing, and it stimulated it to heal to quickly and I needed steroids to get rid of the proud flesh!!

So leason learnt, natural does not mean can do no harm!
 
Aru - it's Derek Knottenbelt who lectures us (I'm a vet student at Liverpool, so am very lucky that we get first hand teaching off him). He showed us one horrific picture of a woman who'd put camrosa on her horses sarcoid against his advice, because she thought she knew better - what started off as a small, 1cm diameter lump on the horse's face ended up as a huge, red raw mass extending over most of one side of the horses face.
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Murphy88 im in dublin vet school and thats where i heard his talk.Iv seen the picture you were talking about to but i wasnt sure which cream it was.I just remember him being less then impressed with all creams and then telling that story and showing that picture in before and after form...

hes a brilliant speaker your really lucky to be taught by him(very very jealous!!)...i still love to tell ppl about his persil pony story to....it hard to forget when he gave some really cool examples he even got me intreasted in dermatology something i taught would never happen cos i hate histology!Even though i know its important...
 
I used liverpool cream and it only cost me about £70 in total!! Just had to pay 3 vet visits to apply the cream as the sarcoid was very small it didn't require alot of cream and they had a small amount still in at the surgery!! Dropped off in about 11 days if I remember correctly (had it done years ago now!) and it's never grown back.
 
I used thuja tabs and cream and it healed 2 small sarcoids.
My vet wanted to use the liverpool cream but i was very worried as it is an invasive treatment.
I read up about sarcoids a lot and decided that id give thuja a try, if it failed then go for the liverpool cream.
Maybee they were warts not sarcoids, maybee they would have gone on there own anyway, who knows? Iv never been a fan of homeopathy things, but this was a young horse and i was concerned about jumping straight in with liverpool cream when they were only small and causing no problems.
Anyway, now they are gone. Just have to wait and see if they ever return.....
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Well, the vet came today (to give a flu & tet jab) so I asked about the sarcoid, I must admit it looks better today after a couple of days of it looking red raw with the Thuja cream and tablets.
The red lumps have dropped off, I will carry on this week with it as it does look better today - tomorrow may change!

the vet asked me to take a pic and email it to him and he will send it off, I was thinking after reading lots about it that it may be better to wait until after the flies have gone, if the Thuja hasn't worked by then I will get the Liverpool cream.

Watch this space...!
 
Sorry forgot to say,
I first got the cream and tablets from website which also sells on ebay so prob the same ones you have. However i found the thuja tablets from boots better. I also gave up with the cream after a while as it was making a mess of the surrounding hair, and the sarcoids were becoming to small to apply it to.
It took about 3 months for them to go. We cant find one of them at all now but the other is very slightly raised under the skin still. Have just started using the tablets again after a break to see if that bit will go to as im worried about it coming back. The hair has grown back though and you cant see a thing so finges crossed.
I also didnt want to use liverpool cream in fly season for obvious reasons.
 
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