sarcoids ,im gutted !!

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i recently purchased a horse from a dealer of bsja horses in scotland after paying for the horse and going back to collect ,The horse in question had a small lump on her eye i was told she had banged it turns out it is a sarcoid ,,my vet has said that her sight will deteriorate and she will not be fit for purpose ,said she should not of been sold like this and under the circumstances i should be entitled to get my money back or a replacement of the same value , on speaking with the dealer she is not so fourthcoming ,said it can simply be treated with cream ,but as it is on the eye this is not possible , she is not intrested so looks like im gonna have a lega; battle on my hands ,who is in the wrong here i just dont know what to do .
 
On the eye itself, or right by the eye? My pony developed one when out on loan several years ago, the people who had him were told the same thing, that it was too close to be removed. Someone recomended aloe vera gel, and it worked a treat!
 
How close to the eye? One if my mares developed one within 3 months of me buying, but vet prescribed a cream/gel and it disappeared. That was 10 yrs ago and fingers crossed.... No reappearance! Hers was just above the corner of her eye....
 
Well maybe I was stupid not to have had my own vetting , but the place looked so reputable and she had a vetting certificate that was done two months prior , a lesson to be learned from this I think , and the sarcoid is on her lid , pictures have been sent to Liverpool university hopefully get results today
 
We brought one of my horses with a tumour on the eye. He had a full 5 stage vetting, but the vet missed it (not our own I hasten to add) We aren't 100% sure his vision is perfect from that eye, but it's never ever stopped him! Be BE's JA's and hunts without any problems.

My friend has one on loan who has completely lost its eye, although its not very attractive, he also still competes in BE without any issues, so I wouldn't worry just yet!!
 
Flossy1 said:
I realise they may be treatable but still going to have sight deterioration ! Shame as she's a beautiful mare
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Why is she going to have slight deterioration? My boy has had a sarcoid above his eye and been treated by iridium wire, he was spooky on that side while it healed but it doesn't seem to make any difference to him now.
 
Don't understand why if properly treated it will affect her sight.
You will get good advice from Liverpool although it is much more difficult to treat them around eyes I know two that have had sucessful treatment . It's going to cost a bit though.
Always have a horse vetted as you say lessons learned.
 
OP - there are no 'certainties' with sarcoids - it could stay the way it is for life, it could disappear (as my boy's did) or yes, it could potentially become a problem. It won't affect the eyesight itself, just the eyelids and if they can open fully or not.

Without a vetting you won't be able to do much, and you would have to prove the dealer knew it was a sarcoid.. I had 2 vets look at my boy's lump and neither of them thought it was a sarcoid, but it was!

I'm sorry that you are having this problem but please don't despair :) Just out of interest could you pm me the dealer as I think it may be where my ginger horse is from :)
 
Was the mark there when you seen the horse, or had it developed between seeing the horse and going back to collect it (I'm reading your original post as it wasn't there initally but was there on collection)
Whilst I don't think the dealer is being particulary fair or professional by fobbing you off, was it obvious what it was when it left the dealers yard i.e. could they have known that it was a sarcoid or could it have been reasonable for them to assume that she had knocked her head off something, is it something the vet would have picked up as a sarcoid if you'd had a vetting done?
If it was obvious that it was a sarcoid then yes I would be getting legal advice over where you stand.
The next question you would have to ask is what do you want the dealer to do, do you want the dealer to pay the vets fee, take the mare back and refund your money, give you a partial refund on the mare and keep her.
I think you will also need to speak to the insurance company (assuming you have her insured) about her being fit for purpose.
Sorry it's happened to you, we've got a mare who's had several sarcoids removed from between her back legs and some from her muzzle with no ill side effects, fingers crossed they can do the same with yours.
 
Naryafluffy said:
Whilst I don't think the dealer is being particulary fair or professional by fobbing you off, was it obvious what it was when it left the dealers yard i.e. could they have known that it was a sarcoid or could it have been reasonable for them to assume that she had knocked her head off something, is it something the vet would have picked up as a sarcoid if you'd had a vetting done?
If it was obvious that it was a sarcoid then yes I would be getting legal advice over where you stand.
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Making a few assumptions here but OP didn't have a vetting done, a fairly previous vetting had not picked up on it.. I take it the dealers didn't refuse to let you vet, it was your free choice? What did the receipt for your horse say OP?

I fail to see how the dealer is responsible given the above.
 
Be VERY careful about putting anything on a sarcoid.

Many lotions and potions "heal" by encouraging new cell growth which in a wound is required however if you put these on a sarcoid they can have the reverse effect- Encouraging cell growth still but instead of healthy cell the sarcoid grows even bigger.
The other thing with sarcoids is that if the treatment fails it often makes them worse so its best to go in with the best right from the outset. A horse i had got hideous sarcoids which the previous owner banded, They did drop off but within months were replaced with giants! I had them removed properly by a vet and *touch wood* they didnt come back (well not so far!)
Sorry that sounds a little gloomy Its not all bad they are treatable just please dont try home remedy type things its not worth it
 
yes I don't see the dealer can take all the blame and a two month old vetting means nothing a scarcoid can pop up at anytime.
Even if OP has insured the horse I fail to see its theninsurance companies prob as the horse arrived with the condition.
OP is going to have to good specialist veterinary advice and meet the cost herself as Op says she loves the mare so all may yet come out ok just a nasty bill to pay and a lesson learned.
Situation normal with horses that's life make amistake fix it as best you can move on.
One though I would not be doing with a sarcoid near an eye is any treatment that did not come from the vets.
 
My big half shire piebald is being treated for one on his sheath. Sarcoids vary immensely. Some are bloody serious, some are nowt to bother about and either disappear on their own or respond well to a bit of tlc. You need to know more about this particular type of sarcoid on your lass.

Do a search on Liverpool treatment cream, the website will give you a low down on sarcoids and their type (and some hope and optimism), then phone your vet and ask which one your girl has and what the vet proposes as a treatment plan. Did vet take photos? If not, get vet to do so and send them off to Liverpool - it's cheap enough. My lads full treatment cost £175 :)
 
to be honest I wouldn't bother with legal action. Sounds like the dealer has been unhelpful but you'll have a difficult job trying to prove that on the balance of probablities she knew about it and didn't tell you when she should have done. She probably has no legal duty at all to tell you even if she knew anyway, unless you asked about sarcoids/health issues and she knowlingly lied.

Legal advice and court fees could easily cost you more than the treatment, although if you have BHS gold membership you could try their legal advice line for some free advice, or ask your household insurance company whether you have legal cover (lots of people do and don't realise it) and if you do ask them for a free view.

Hope it can be treated easily.
 
Naryafluffy said:
Was the mark there when you seen the horse, or had it developed between seeing the horse and going back to collect it (I'm reading your original post as it wasn't there initally but was there on collection)
Whilst I don't think the dealer is being particulary fair or professional by fobbing you off, was it obvious what it was when it left the dealers yard i.e. could they have known that it was a sarcoid or could it have been reasonable for them to assume that she had knocked her head off something, is it something the vet would have picked up as a sarcoid if you'd had a vetting done?
If it was obvious that it was a sarcoid then yes I would be getting legal advice over where you stand.
The next question you would have to ask is what do you want the dealer to do, do you want the dealer to pay the vets fee, take the mare back and refund your money, give you a partial refund on the mare and keep her.
I think you will also need to speak to the insurance company (assuming you have her insured) about her being fit for purpose.
Sorry it's happened to you, we've got a mare who's had several sarcoids removed from between her back legs and some from her muzzle with no ill side effects, fingers crossed they can do the same with yours.
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rhino said:
Making a few assumptions here but OP didn't have a vetting done, a fairly previous vetting had not picked up on it.. I take it the dealers didn't refuse to let you vet, it was your free choice? What did the receipt for your horse say OP?

I fail to see how the dealer is responsible given the above.
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I did put in my response that I was reading it that the sarcoid wasn't there initially, whilst if it wasn't obvious when it was collected that it was a sarcoid the dealer probably doesn't have much responsibility I would have thought that from a reputational point of view they would be at least want to appear interested, if it was obvious when collected that it was a sarcoid and the dealer was aware of what the intended use of the horse was then I would have certainly challenged the dealer.
I did pose my reply as a question to clarify some points rather than make the assumptions that it wasn't obviously a sarcoid that the dealer was aware of.
Personally I would have had a vetting done, depending on the cost of the horse, but it would also depend on when the sarcoid started to present as it could still have been missed by a vetting unless the vetting was done on the same day as collection.
 
sarcoids on or around the eye will probably be treated with BCG injection, the radiation treatment, very expensive, or my vet has told me there is a new treatment out but hasnt let me know the details yet you wont be able to put liverpool cream on an eyelid for fear of damaging the eye. It is possible the sarcoid has just come up, one of my youngsters has suddenly had a small lump come up on his back only last week which i suspect could be a small sarcoid. If OP you had insurance in place you may be able to claim as the treatment can be expensive i have just been quoted a £1000 for bcg & liverpool combined.
 
Naryafluffy said:
I did put in my response that I was reading it that the sarcoid wasn't there initially, whilst if it wasn't obvious when it was collected that it was a sarcoid the dealer probably doesn't have much responsibility I would have thought that from a reputational point of view they would be at least want to appear interested.
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Sorry, I meant I was making assumptions, not you :) As I said, I have suspicions as to who the seller was (and indeed she does have a good reputation and I have recommended her before) but find the 'advice' that the OP was given from her vet to be really odd. I know it must be upsetting for the OP but from the information given I think it would be difficult to blame the dealer, certainly if legal action was taken..
 
OP: I've had to resort to the Liverpool cream treatment with a variety of horses and a variety of sarcoids. All have been treated successfully and without reoccurence. Maybe I'm lucky but this has been over years and years. Definitely wait to hear back from your vet about what treatment LP suggest. Chances are they will be able to provide a sucessful treatment and take into consideration the closeness to the horse's eye.

Just a word of warning re Thuja. I applied the Thuja cream to a 10p-sized flat sarcoid on the crest of my horses neck last summer and it made things MUCH worse. A new crop broke out: one on her ear and another on the side of her face. I nearly had a heart attack. Thankfully said sarcoids were successfully treated with LP treatment and have completely gone. I don't know what the Thuja did (or maybe it was co-incidence, although the treated neck sarcoid had been there for 18 months without spreading UNTIL I tried the Thuja). Just be cautious of the herbal remedies as they can work either way - for the good or the bad. Hard to tell in the case of Thuja which way it'll work for an indiviual case of sarcoids. Good luck though.
 
Foxhunter49 said:
Feed NAF D-tox and Thuja and it will go.
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Umm, I'm sorry, but this is a bit of a sweeping, and very misleading statement of "fact"! Might work for some, I don't know, sarcoids are like that it seems: SOME respond to SOME things.

In my very recent experience of a periocular (next to the eye) sarcoid, I do know that they tend to be quite specific, and respond to treatments unsuitable for sarcoids on other parts of the body. And vice versa.

OP I have a 5yo appy x (below in siggy) who has just been very successfully treated for a periocular sarcoid on his eyelid, using a course of BCG vaccination from Liverpool, via my vet.

Also, I would like to reassure you that if the sarcoid is on the eyelid, there is no reason at all why the eyesight should be affected: they are different structures.
 
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