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The winner was on a grey horse. and I cant tell you how please I was to see that the horse was ridden in a loose ring snaffle.. with no martigale did have a grackle.But brillient. Half the others were in big nasty bits with there heads strapped in.
Good on her!


Lou x
 
That's nice, but I don't think you can really judge people who have harsh bits and martingales; I for one do not have control when jumping Wings without riding him in a dutch gag and a martingale. Also, I think that it is better on his mouth for me to be gentle using a dutch gag, then really having to pull in a loose ring snaffle.

Still nice to see though
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my horse came.. it was in a dutch gag a martigale a dutch gag.. You know what.. she needed none of it.. it was all in the name of fashion..

Ill fitting tack.. poorly selected tack.. causes a lot of man made issues.

I never said i was judging others by the tack they were using. I simply said it was nice that the one in the snaffle, won.. showing that even in a speed class you dont need to use unnecessarily strong bits.

Lou x
 

But some horses DO need that sort of tack, so not sure what your point is?

though I agree it is a nice example to set to ride with a loose ring snaffle only, if everyone followed that example (like they follow the 'gadget' example)then there might be a lot of accidents!
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Horses for courses, so to speak...
 
Oh right, I see your point. If the horse doesn't need the bit, and it is just like a fashion statement, then I think that is pathetic, but if the horse genuinely needs the stronger bit and listens well with softer aids, surely that is better than the rider being harsh with their hands on a snaffle, which would do more damage?
 
I didnt slate anyone for there choice of bit.. I said it was nice to see a horse in simple tack win.. I dont disagree. Some horses do require stronger bits and tack.. but I was simploy saying it was nice to see a horse win in a snaffle...

I wasnt after an arguement. I was simply tell you all what I saw and how nice it was!

Lou x
 
Sorry Nailed but i dont see your point.

You can do more harm hauling on a snaffle cos you cant stop then having one gentle pull on say a pelham or a gag.

I school my horse at home without a martingale and in a snaffle - but put a jump up and i cant hold one side of him in that combo.
 
How do you know it was a simple loose ring snaffle? Did you see the actual mouth piece? Could have been a nice twisted snaffle with a port.
 
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I didnt slate anyone for there choice of bit.. I said it was nice to see a horse in simple tack win.. I dont disagree. Some horses do require stronger bits and tack.. but I was simploy saying it was nice to see a horse win in a snaffle...

I wasnt after an arguement. I was simply tell you all what I saw and how nice it was!

Lou x

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Without wishing to argue, by stating how nice it was to see a horse in a loose ring snaffle and no martingale, you are effectively indicating that that type of tack is preferable... no?
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I didnt slate anyone for there choice of bit.. I said it was nice to see a horse in simple tack win.. I dont disagree. Some horses do require stronger bits and tack.. but I was simploy saying it was nice to see a horse win in a snaffle...

I wasnt after an arguement. I was simply tell you all what I saw and how nice it was!

Lou x

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Without wishing to argue, by stating how nice it was to see a horse in a loose ring snaffle and no martingale, you are effectively indicating that that type of tack is preferable... no?
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I have to say I agree with Little_Flea.

And echo what Vicki_Krystal says, I school either in a double (as I compete in) or a snaffle however put up a fence and I have no chance - I quite like stopping before ending up over the side of a cliff
 
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How do you know it was a simple loose ring snaffle? Did you see the actual mouth piece? Could have been a nice twisted snaffle with a port.

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good point! i new a lady who took over a ride, the horse had been going in a gag and seemed very strong in it. She had it going in a loose ring snaffle with in weeks....
i was amazed and really rated her riding for it.... then one day i saw its bridle and it was a double twisted wire mouth piece!
 
i agree Nailed, it is so nice to see horses going in a simple snaffle (if thats what it was!) with no martingale.

funnily enough all of the horses i have broken/ re-schooled go in french links and no martingales... and tend to go much nicer than they did in their gags, flashes and overly tight martingales.

and yes, i think it is MUCH nicer to see a horse going well in plain tack than one going well with a load of metal on its head.
shows the horse responds to the aids well and that is has been well schooled with the basics in place instead of taking the easy option of sticking a stronger bit in it.

obviously there are the odd few horses that NEED stronger bits, but imo the majority of horses wear these exotic bits as a shortcut.
 
I don't think many people are getting Naileds point here. It IS nice to see horses in a snaffle jumping bigger classes. BUT that's not to say everyone should jump in a snaffle if there's a need for more.

I have an ex-racer who I'm very happy to be able to jump in a loose ring snaffle (just an ordinary french link mouthpiece) but I don't judge anyone else who jumps in any other bit if the horse looks happy & comfortable. I also have no problem jumping my horse in a different bit occasionally when he gets silly as he sometimes needs reminding where his brakes are & I'm not prepared to pull & pull with the snaffle in.

I think some people ARE influenced too much by the fashion/trend for fancy bits & gadgets & this is wrong. I recently started riding a horse who was jumped in a Dutch gag. She was in the gag 'cos she pulled like a train & stuck her head in the air before the jump. I have been schooling & jumping her in my horses loose ring snaffle & funnily enough she is lovely & soft & hasnt run off once. I'm a very petite 5'1" & would have no chance in a pulling match with a chunky 16hh TB but I have no need. This horse is a classic example of a lack of schooling & fashionable overbitting.

However, my friend had a 17hh SF gelding who she jumped in a waterford gag 'cos he needed it. He was long & could get very fast & leant on her hands in the snaffle & she didn't have enough control to slow up for related distances, etc. I do not judge her for this as the decision to jump in this bit was taken for the correct reasons. The bit was not a fashion statement.

It is, at the end of the day, horses for courses & as long as bits/gadgets are used for a reason & the rider knows what they are using & why I see no problem with this.
 
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